Cortisol levels in ME/CFS

Throwing this link in here and hoping it is OK to the idea of the thread - although it seems to apply to measurement of hormones beyond just cortisol, I think it is interesting if the way things should be measured is indeed moving on:


Clinical Endocrinology—Time for a Reset?

Stafford L. Lightman* April 2024

Abstract

Measurement of blood levels of circulating hormones has always been the cornerstone of the biochemical diagnosis of endocrine diseases, with the objective of detecting hormone excess or insufficiency. Unfortunately, the dynamic nature of hormone secretion means single-point measurements of many hormones often lack diagnostic validity. Endocrinologists have devised complex dynamic tests as indirect assessments of the functioning of the hormone system under investigation. Recent advances in the measurement of dynamic hormone changes across the day now offer an opportunity to reconsider whether there might be better ways both to diagnose and to monitor the therapy of endocrine conditions.

link to paper: https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/8/4/bvae024/7606556


Just scanned so far but there are interesting points that perhaps relate to other threads such as:

  1. The first lesson is that if we have wearable sensor technology, we should be able to monitor a patient's hormone levels in their own home/work environment—which is, of course, what we actually want to know.

And the interesting part in the discussion before it (which included the issue of sleep affecting measures, but being something you'd want to measure as part of a cycle) reminded me of the dilemma we have with PEM vs exertion, influences impacting things and 'cycles' that we have with ME/CFS and experiments/tests that themselves involve eg travel or even just additional activity even if it was in the home (which then might necessarily cause compensation/change to other activities in a normal week in response)
 
And not just hormones either, I will bet. Homeostasis is certainly a thing, but it is a dynamic equilibrium on at least many measures (e.g. blood pressure).

When extended real-time collection of what are currently single point data can be done for days-months can be done then a whole new set of patterns and understandings are likely to emerge, and help redefine health and sickness, and how to respond to it.
 
Ah. I had not seen that. I think I now understand your previous comment about the low levels being related by some common artifactual influence. The apparent absence of cortisol in CSF makes no real sense as consequence of depleted CRH cells unless these cases are unusual instances of pre-terminal adrenal failure it seems. I think we need to see detailed published findings.
My husband demonstrated adrenal insufficiency, and did so in 2006 via saliva tests; hypothyroidism from plus 24 hour urinary collection testing. But NHS does not recognise these results done privately.

NHS Synthetic test did not show any abnormality.

Recent Cardioloy reviews also suggest secondary adrenal /thyroid problems as contributory to his symptoms pattern.
 
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