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CFS & fibromyalgia-like symptoms are an integral component of the phenome of schizophrenia: neuro-immune & opioid system correlates, 2020, Maes et al

Discussion in 'Other health news and research' started by Dolphin, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Pre-print:
    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0432/v1



    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia-Like Symptoms Are an Integral Component of the Phenome of Schizophrenia: Neuro-Immune and Opioid System Correlates
     
  2. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So, what are the implications here? We're a subgroup of schizophrenia?

    Haven't the necessary to read beyond the abstract at the minute & may try again later. Wonder what criteria were used for CFS diagnosis though.....
     
  3. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    From the paper:

    Which conveniently refers to this paper (of which Maes is also the author):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28666826

    So the recent discovery of a connection between FM, chronic fatigue is down to Maes.

    I know nothing of course but it smells of desperation to me.

    Maes continues to cite papers (the more recent ones) of which he is also the author without citing his name in the citation. Not sure what that's about.
     
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  4. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Breaking news: unreliable questionnaires produce unreliable results. More research is needed to produce more misleading results.

    There are so many issues here. Either psychiatry has completely missed out on huge aspects of schizophrenia that it's just coming around to look at, or those questionnaires are completely unreliable. Maybe it's both, though. Quite possible. We know that it's common even for specialists in non-controversial diseases to completely miss out on the illness side because they only value the disease, the measurable, what affects short-term survival. But we also know that those questionnaires are terrible at telling anything.

    Evidence suggests nobody has any idea what schizophrenia is. It seems very superficially defined and very vague. Is any part of psychiatry validated at all? Seriously it appears to be a total crapshoot.

    The questionnaire appears to be particularly lousy, if that's the one: http://oml.eular.org/sysModules/obxOml/docs/ID_20/Zachrisson, O., B. Regland, et al. (2002).pdf. It would likely produce the same results for completely different circumstances. Basically 0-6 on those items:
    At least the topics are relevant but the scale and framing makes it very difficult to interpret.
     
  5. Mithriel

    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Maes seemed to be a supporter of ME. I checked the list of his papers in MEpedia. I did not look at them closely, but the ones I remember which were about why CBT is useless and immune problems in ME were all dated before 2015 when he developed his theory of Neuro-Inflammatory and Oxidative Fatigue

    "2015, A new case definition of Neuro-Inflammatory and Oxidative Fatigue (NIOF), a neuroprogressive disorder, formerly known as chronic fatigue syndrome or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis: results of multivariate pattern recognition methods and external validation by neuro-immune biomarkers"

    This paper uses
    So it looks as if he is finding things in schizophrenia that resemble his theory of ME which is very different from ME and schizophrenia being related diseases. Sharing symptoms does not mean anything much, the same one can be the primary disease or a downstream effect.
     
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  6. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    :laugh:

    Nah, I certainly don't view ME this way. Was just trying to work out if that was what he was saying. There seemed to be some assumption.....
     
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  7. Jaybee00

    Jaybee00 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    No idea about this article but, this guy has 3 affiliations in 3 continents, yet he has a hotmail account as his email account? He is not listed as faculty in Plovdiv. Can’t find him at Deakin. Can’t find him at Chulalongkorn U either.

    and he titles himself

    Prof. Dr. Michael Maes, M.D., Ph.D.

    At least he didn’t title himself His Royal Highness

    Corresponding Author: Department of Psychiatry, Faculty of Medicine, Chulalongkorn University, Bangkok, Thailand.
    e Department of Psychiatry, Medical University of Plovdiv, Plovdiv, Bulgaria.
    f School of Medicine, IMPACT Strategic Research Centre, Deakin University, PO Box 281, Geelong, VIC, 3220, Australia. E-mail: dr.michaelmaes@hotmail.com.
    Corresponding author:
    Prof. Dr. Michael Maes, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Psychiatry
    King Chulalongkorn memorial Hospital Faculty of Medicine
    dr.michaelmaes@hotmail.com
     

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