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Cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) proteomics

Discussion in 'Neurological/cognitive/vision' started by Robert 1973, Aug 26, 2023.

  1. Robert 1973

    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Discussion split from discussion of an NIH webinar where there was a presentation of a forthcoming Bergquist CSF proteomics study USA: NIH National Institutes of Health news

    Does anyone know if CSF proteomics has been used to study other illnesses?
     
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    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There was this study:
    A Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - related proteome in human cerebrospinal fluid
    James N Baraniuk et al. BMC Neurol. 2005.
    https://bmcneurol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2377-5-22
     
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    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Small world.

    I was recruited for this for the CFS cohort, and also considered for the PTLD part; I declined regardless:

    And I was in a subsequent one to this below with the Georgetown U folks.
     
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    I don't think I know the BPS sense of it, probably for the best.


    The Baraniuk study uses a very confusing and problematic definition of CFS.

    There was also a CSF metabolomics that I was excited about, from Fiehn Columbia, which was never published. I could've sworn it was in one of Cornell or Columbia's proposed studies for their NIH Center for Excellence grants.
     
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    Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and fibromyalgia are indistinguishable by their cerebrospinal fluid proteomes 2022, Schutzer et al
    There was this recent paper, also from the Bergquist team. Forum members were generally underwhelmed, mainly due to the lack of a healthy control comparison. It's good to see that the latest Bergquist study includes not only ME/CFS and Long Covid cohorts, but also a healthy control cohort.

    The post-treatment Lyme disease study was also from the Bergquist team.

    (sorry for late edits)
     
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    It's a reference to the frequent use of the word "promising" to describe BPS findings that are at best modest; but more realistically reflecting natural recovery, regression to mean, hopelessly confusion by uncontrolled expectation bias and generally incompetent methodology, and the muddled thinking exemplified by frequent correlation/causation confusion.

    Also CSF proteomics is going to really challenge editors now that we'll have more "ME/CFS CSF" studies. Hopefully the findings will help get us to a definitive disease name soon :nailbiting:
     
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    Now that I can absolutely confirm. It's definitely made me double and triple check my comments over the years.
     
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    Moved post

    It was done several years ago, pooled csf

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044169/
    Distinct Cerebrospinal Fluid Proteomes Differentiate Post-Treatment Lyme Disease from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
    Steven E. Schutzer,# 1 , * Thomas E. Angel,# 4 Tao Liu,# 4 Athena A. Schepmoes, 4 Therese R. Clauss, 4Joshua N. Adkins, 4 David G. Camp, II, 4 Bart K. Holland, 3 Jonas Bergquist, 5 Patricia K. Coyle, 6Richard D. Smith, 4 Brian A. Fallon, 7 and Benjamin H. Natelson 2 , 8
     
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