BPS attempts at psychologizing Long Covid

The actual evidence for functional illness presented in this article is nothing. They just take it as a given and then proceed to speak about nocebo effects. That some people might have functional symptoms is an assertion devoid of any evidentiary basis. It’s like writing an editorial that some Long Covid patients may have symptoms due to reactivation of latent viruses, and then proceeding to make a case why that’s definitely true. It’s persuasive if you aren’t familiar with this area, or just read quickly.
 
Many, if not most, symptoms are nonspecific and shared by different pathologies. That is why there is a diagnostic tree to follow to find what the problem is in any particular patient.

Think cough or headache for instance. My son and daughter had mild anaemia and a feeling of not being quite right at times. One was dismissed while the other had a blood test and exploratory examination. They both had coeliac disease.

Fatigue is common to many diseases so it cannot be used to prove you do not have a physical illness.

"brain plasticity" is overused with little evidence. The fact it exists says nothing about what it does in response to thoughts and they offer no evidence that thoughts can make you ill.

If stress gives you an ME type illness there should be epidemics after wars, under repressive regimes, in the poor but that does not happen. The fact they can come on suddenly after an infection disproves all their theories.
 
Art Vandelay said:
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Long COVID highlights why we need to overhaul the term ‘psychosomatic’

This is a rather embarrassing article (for the authors) in Canada's the Globe and Mail. They repeat all the usual pseudo-scientific tropes about hardware vs software and buy into the myth of the placebo and nocebo effects.
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Medicine: let's combat medical misinformation

Also medicine: here's a bunch of medical misinformation

It's the absolute confidence in bullshitting that is defeating. Nothing that they say has any validity, but they express it with the same confidence, bravado even, as the validated stuff. This is how you invalidate expertise.

When you take an evangelical approach of "it's only real if we say so, since we know everything", you better be absolutely right about every damn thing, because every error suggests even more errors. And of course, not even close. Not even half-way there. Today, and this all began well over a century ago. The hubris, holy crap the hubris.
 
rvallee said:
When you take an evangelical approach of "it's only real if we say so, since we know everything", you better be absolutely right about every damn thing, because every error suggests even more errors.
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Echoing the very beginning of this thread when Vogt said —

We should listen to patients and their narratives, but at the same time (as you know) that doesn't make them doctors. We are supposed to know things they don't although they have an experience we don't. They don't know disease and medicine better then we do.
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My son and daughter had mild anaemia and a feeling of not being quite right at times. One was dismissed while the other had a blood test and exploratory examination. They both had coeliac disease.
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Just out of curiosity, was it your son or your daughter who was dismissed?
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Strangely, it was my son. He was told that he was just a bit anaemic so it was nothing much, even though 22 year old men are not usually anaemic. Also told that exercise was shown to help fatigue so he should try that.

As we have found neurologists are not good at asking patients first. He had a 2 month old baby, was working 12 hour shifts in an active job and spending his weekends fixing up a flat for the three of them to move into!

My daughter went to our GP who had once had a flat mate who had coeliac so she got a blood test and biopsy. Son went back to his GP then asked for and got the blood test and biopsy.
 
This web site has been doing the rounds on Twitter today. It's from Mind Body Lab with among other LP researcher and Professor in psychology Silje Reme.

It provides advice on faster recovery with different CBT methods and LP inspired visualisations etc.

It's in Norwegian but there's google translation if anyone wants to have a look. It's pretty bad.

Here's a little taste about "Graded activity adjustment"

The main principles of graded activity adaptation are to gradually increase the amount/intensity of what you do. You should start at a level you know you can complete in a slightly bad week. The following week you do a little more - and so on. Praise yourself when you manage to do a little more - but don't put too much emphasis on whether the symptoms or the bodily discomfort fluctuate. Many people experience some discomfort when the activity level increases. This is not dangerous, you are not doing anything wrong, it is just the body adapting to a new level! Eventually, symptoms and discomfort will decrease.
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https://piccolo-orca-rxh4.squarespace.com/

google translate:
https://piccolo--orca--rxh4-squares..._sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

ETA: Oh, Professor Wyller is there too, and they share Garner's story as well.
 
Beat me to it @Kalliope

I'm somewhat glad they put the banality on full display, such as this gem:
Mind Body Lab said:
Start the day by asking yourself the question: "What is wrong with me?"
And then you answer: "NOTHING!"
Remember this is true! If you get insecure, talk to us.

After you have answered "NOTHING!", you can give yourself positive "affirmations". This affects your brain. Here are some sentences we recommend, but you can find your own:

I am fit

I am strong

I am healthy

I am safe

I can do what I want

I will be alright.

Tell yourself these affirmations multiple times a day, or when you have a spare moment.
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No matter how many times I 'affirm' that I'm in charge, that I 'own' the world and control all natural, and unnatural, law...it doesn't make it true.......

..at least so I assume (I assume that over the centuries many people have thought/affirmed similar things, and it wasn't true for them, so why would it be for me.)
 
Mind Body Lab

"Start the day by asking yourself the question: "What is wrong with me?"
And then you answer: "NOTHING!"
Remember this is true! If you get insecure, talk to us.

After you have answered "NOTHING!", you can give yourself positive "affirmations". This affects your brain. Here are some sentences we recommend, but you can find your own:

I am fit

I am strong

I am healthy

I am safe"

I can do what I want

I will be alright.

Tell yourself these affirmations multiple times a day, or when you have a spare moment."




FFS! That is the kind of puerile dross sold in thousands of Mind over Matter Affirmation courses in the sodding 1980s! People like me who experimented with that mind method stuff 40 years ago (I never spent any money on it mind, and it wasn't in the context of health) worked out that it's just selling hope to the desperate (or people into experimenting on themselves).


How can it POSSIBLY be that medics and psychologists are flogging affirmations-as-treatment in national health services. They are just scammers preying on the desperate.
 
I think people of faith would say prayer is very different from telling yourself lies about your own health, which is essentially what LP tells people to do. But I think we'd better steer away from drawing religious parallels before we fall foul of forum rules.
 
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