UK: Disability benefits (UC, ESA and PIP) - news and updates 2024 and 2025

Jonathan Edwards said:
Yes, sorry, I meant worth to an individual recipient.
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How much Personal Independence Payment (PIP) will I get?​

The amount of Personal Independence Payment (PIP) that you get depends on how many points you score in the PIP test for daily living and the PIP test for mobility.

Daily living component​

If you have daily living needs, you may qualify for the daily living component. There are two rates:

  • Standard £73.90 per week
  • Enhanced £110.40 per week
You get the standard rate if you score between eight and 11 points for your daily living needs in the PIP test. You get the enhanced rate if you score 12 points or more.

You automatically qualify for the enhanced rate of the daily living component if you are terminally ill.

If someone cares for you and you receive the daily living component, they might qualify for Carer’s Allowance or Carer Support Payment (Scotland).

Mobility component​

If you have mobility needs, you may qualify for the mobility component. There are two rates:

  • Standard £29.20 per week
  • Enhanced £77.05 per week
You get the standard rate if you score between eight and 11 points for your mobility needs in the PIP test. You get the enhanced rate if you score 12 points or more.
 
To me the “concessions” sounded pretty meaningless long term. I don’t get how that would change someone’s opinion for voting on the bill unless their goal was only to get reelection and they didn’t actually care.

Anyways, thinking of everyone in the UK right now. This sucks.
 
Yann04 said:
To me the “concessions” sounded pretty meaningless long term. I don’t get how that would change someone’s opinion for voting on the bill unless their goal was only to get reelection and they didn’t actually care.

Anyways, thinking of everyone in the UK right now. This sucks.
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If the bill was defeated it would be taken away and re-written. Instead, it’s been amended and passed. Either version will still result in disability benefits being cut, to be honest. It’s just a stay of execution.
 
Lucy Webster, journalist and disability advocate:

"The bill has passed second reading.
It no longer includes the new rules for Pip but has punitive measures for future disabled claimants of UC.

It should have been voted down
Remember that this doesn't mean the bill is law. It's now got committee stage and another vote"



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Jonathan Edwards said:
OK, but I am trying to understand how much money that actually is. My point is that I am pretty sure it isn't that much in comparison to what all the people are earning who drive past me along the M25 in BMWs and Mercs.
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I think that’s already occurred to the disabled campaigners who have been working tirelessly on this for months… Google is your friend for government figures.
 
The thing that has driven me mad with almost all the coverage including by government ministers is they keep talking about PIP as if it were income to live on for people not working, with part of the solution to get more people off it and into work.

That is wrong. It's an allowance to help cover the extra costs of daily living for people who need help to do ordinary activities and includes people who need things that cost money in order to be able to work. It used to be called Disability Living Allowance, which I think was clearer.

It's only the daily living component they are talking about cutting and making much harder to get. Yet even at maximum rate it only covers the cost of a few half hour carer visits a week.
 
Trish said:
The thing that has driven me mad with almost all the coverage including by government ministers is they keep talking about PIP as if it were income to live on for people not working, with part of the solution to get more people off it and into work.

That is wrong. It's an allowance to help cover the extra costs of daily living for people who need help to do ordinary activities and includes people who need things that cost money in order to be able to work. It used to be called Disability Living Allowance, which I think was clearer.

It's only the daily living component they are talking about cutting and making much harder to get. Yet even at maximum rate it only covers the cost of a few half hour carer visits a week.
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That is the case in its current iteration.
By linking PIP to LCWRA/UC Health in the future, it will be difficult to separate them even though there will still be in-work PIP claimants.
 
Thanks to Clare for checking how the APPG for ME members voted, and tweeting this :


How the members of the APPG for ME voted
#TakingThePIP

Yes:
Jo Platt
Debbie Abrahams
Luke Charters
Maya Ellis
Louise Jones
Jayne Kirkham
Paul Waugh


No:
Tessa Munt
Harriett Baldwin
Sian Berry
Ian Byrne
Daisy Cooper
Mims Davies
Tim Farron
Monica Harding
Paul Kohler
Clive Lewis
Rachael Maskell
John McDonnell
Simon Opher
Steve Race
Bradley Thomas
Max Wilkinson
Munira Wilson




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MrMagoo said:
That is the case in its current iteration.
By linking PIP to LCWRA/UC Health in the future, it will be difficult to separate them even though there will still be in-work PIP claimants.
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Once they scrap the Work Capability Assessment they will have to define the new 'severe disability group' based on the new (post Timms' review) PIP scores. So I'm anticipating they will demand anyone in this group will have to score an 8 in one daily living area. Which is obviously almost impossible as it seems they never apply the 'reliably, repeatedly, safely and in a reasonable time period' to the highest score (based on DWP statistics). They don't apply it consistently to even the lower scores, if they did many more claimants would have at least one 4 point score on their award.

Reliability​

For a descriptor to apply to a claimant they must be able to reliably complete the activity as described in the descriptor. Reliably means whether they can do so:

  • safely – in a manner unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person, either during or after completion of the activity
  • to an acceptable standard
  • repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required, and
  • in a reasonable time period – no more than twice as long as the maximum period that a non-disabled person would normally take to complete that activity
We recognise that the reliability criteria are a key protection for claimants. Also, as a result of feedback received during the consultation on the PIP ‘moving around’ criteria (held between 24 June and 5 August 2013), measures are in place to ensure the reliability criteria are properly and consistently applied as part of the assessment
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www.gov.uk

PIP handbook

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Simbindi said:
Once they scrap the Work Capability Assessment they will have to define the new 'severe disability group' based on the new (post Timms' review) PIP scores. So I'm anticipating they will demand anyone in this group will have to score an 8 in one daily living area. Which is obviously almost impossible as it seems they never apply the 'reliably, repeatedly, safely and in a reasonable time period' to the highest score (based on DWP statistics). They don't apply it consistently to even the lower scores, if they did many more claimants would have at least one 4 point score on their award.



www.gov.uk

PIP handbook

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There are people paralysed from the neck down who can’t get a 4 let alone an 8
 
Jonathan Edwards said:
OK, but I am trying to understand how much money that actually is.
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The amounts quoted are correct, but many of us don't see the mobility element. We have to spend it on a Motability vehicle or a powered wheelchair in order to be able to leave the house.

My van, which does around 2000 miles a year (I only drive about half of that), takes up my whole allowance and I had to pay £5k in upfront costs. When the lease ends after five years, I have to come up with another £5k for a replacement vehicle, even though I don't have any allowance left to save it up from.

People are supposed to produce the upfront payment up from the £400 a month they receive from UC to cover all living costs except rent—though they might get an extra £423 a month if they're deemed to have limited capacity for work.

If they need a powered wheelchair as well as an adapted vehicle (about £3k for a secondhand one, plus £650 a year for batteries), they also have to magic up those costs from their £400 or £823 a month.

This is what a certain breed of commentator refers to as "free cars".
 
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