Trial Report Symptom-based survey diagnoses may serve to identify more homogenous sub-groups of fatigue and postviral diseases, 2024, Wold

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  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    ABSTRACT

    Background and objective
    A range of diagnostic criteria are applied for the heterogenous patient group with fatigue or postviral fatigue syndromes with or without Post Exertional Malaise (PEM). We explored whether DePaul Symptom Questionnaires (DSQ) based symptoms reported in an open online survey called MECOV, served to identify more homogenous sub-groups.

    Method
    Patients living in Norway were invited to participate in an open online survey in 2022. The questionnaire covered diagnostic history, SARS-CoV-2, general health, RAND-36 and DSQ symptoms, treatments and background information.

    Results
    2362 patients responded to the survey. 1904 respondents had Fatigue or Postviral disease. 1026 fulfilled CCC criteria with multi-dimensional PEM and 14 h recovery period or ICC criteria for ME. 384 fulfilled IOM/NICE or CCC criteria with only less rigid PEM, while 494 respondents fulfilled only broad fatigue and Fukuda criteria. Self-reported health status, number of treatments tried, and reported effect of activity-based treatments varied significantly across the three groups.

    Conclusion
    DSQ symptom-based survey diagnoses served to identify more homogenous subgroups of patients with Fatigue or Postviral diseases (ME and CFS) and may serve as a valid supplement to standard medical examinations. Symptoms, treatment, management strategies and further research may gain from being tailored to the three sub-groups.

     
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  2. Ravn

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    Must have missed this paper earlier

    It's a survey so has all the usual issues inherent in surveys but it's a large one so the absolute figures are still interesting and support previous surveys' results of GET/CBT/LP being associated with significantly more harm than good

    An interesting difference to previous surveys is that they tried to establish 3 subgroups based on how strict a diagnostic criteria respondents met. They then looked at how the subgroups differed in other ways incl whether treatments tried had different effects in the different subgroups. The hypothesis being that this would be so, especially for activity-based treatments
    less rigid PEM = PEM only after physical exertion and shorter than 14h recovery period
    multi-dimensional PEM = DSQ-PEM
    So the non-PEM group was the most different but even there close to half the respondents reported deterioration after GET/CBT/LP and relatively few reported improvement

    There's a longer - 90 pages - report available as pdf and Nina Steinkopf has a blog post about it, both in Norwegian
     
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    GET makes 6 patients worse for every 1 patient that gets better. And that’s a generous estimate because it’s reasonable to expect that some patients dropped out before the treatment was allowed to to proper harm, and therefore ended up with no effect.

    5 % is also the assumed natural recovery rate. So it very well might be that GET doesn’t help anyone at all.

    If GET was a drug, the financial compensations for the harm done would be in the billions..
     
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