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Regulatory requirements for psychological interventions, 2020, Purgato et al

Discussion in 'Research methodology news and research' started by Sly Saint, Oct 20, 2020.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30414-4/fulltext

    sci-hub.se/10.1016/S2215-0366(20)30414-4

    ("develop specific standards about the type and quantity of evidence required" imo quality needs to be in there; eg getting non-psych hps to review the evidence)
     
  2. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The mistake here is to think that somehow regulatory criteria tell you if evidence is adequate.

    Regulatory criteria about the evidence required before a new psychological intervention is released for everyday use in practice would, if followed, have beneficial consequences for clinical practice, research, and policy. Clinicians would know which interventions had evidence-based efficacy for treating specific conditions, and have a valuable tool for differentiating between interventions with or without evidence.

    Regulatory criteria are a t best a very blunt tool for assessing if evidence is adequate. A much easier method is to look at the evidence and see if it is adequate. Note that if you cannot do that without criteria you would not be able to generate any criteria because you would not know what to base them on.

    Assessing evidence is a matter of establishing whether as a matter of fact the evidence is adequate. Reliability is an issue of fact, not opinion or arbitrary criteria. We can see that the evidence for psychological therapies is no good. Enough said.
     
  3. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes we are well aware of that and have been complaining about it for decades but are always told this is not the case so it's really weird to see this here. There are zero standards, no oversight, no accountability, no reliable way to assess anything. It's a complete free-for-all disaster, the whole system is FUBAR.
    Not just the new, all the old ones as well. All of them. Literally all of it has been disseminated this way, with the build it and they will come approach. Except we never come, or walk away quickly, and they keep building it anyway.

    And yet whenever people complain about specific examples the premise is rejected as absurd, dismissed with prejudice for being invalid, that this is not something that can be complained about. Get your affairs in order, people, they are in a state of complete disarray.

    Oh, and ask your fellows in economics about opportunity cost, please and thank you. And about the law of diminishing returns. Hell, about anything related to economics frankly, economics may have issues but it is 100x more grounded in science than clinical psychology. Even a basic understanding of supply and demand would go a long way to explain why people reject the MUS/BPS/FND delusional fantasies and why you have to coerce and manipulate people in ways that mock the idea of informed consent, or even basic consent.

    To do science you need to be able to measure. Work on the damn basics first, then you may do something useful for once. That mathemagics are a requirement is a big tell that you're not "measuring" what you think you are.
     
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