Reduced microstructural white matter integrity is associated with the severity of physical symptoms in [FND], 2025, Gninenko, Müller, Aybek

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    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

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    Reduced microstructural white matter integrity is associated with the severity of physical symptoms in functional neurological disorder
    Gninenko; Müller; Aybek

    BACKGROUND
    Functional neurological disorder (FND) is linked to functional changes in brain networks without an underlying brain lesion. However, the dichotomy between functional and structural changes has been challenged by research suggesting that not only functional but also anatomical alterations in the gray and white matter may underlie a subset of symptoms. This study aimed to characterize white matter microstructural integrity and its association with patient-reported and clinician-rated physical symptoms’ severity in a large sample of FND patients.

    METHODS
    Diffusion-weighted imaging data were collected from 85 FND patients with mixed symptoms and 75 healthy controls (HCs), together with illness duration, clinician-rated (S-FMDRS & CGI), and patient-reported (SF-36) symptom severity. Microstructural integrity was computed based on probabilistic tractography using the Desikan-Killiany parcellation.

    RESULTS
    Compared to HCs, patients with FND presented widespread reduced microstructural integrity stemming from regions such as the right lateral orbitofrontal cortex, insula, putamen, and superior temporal regions. After adjusting for depression and anxiety, these differences were no longer significant. Within-group analysis revealed that reduced microstructural integrity, particularly in the left precuneus and left superior parietal cortex, was strongly correlated with both patient-reported and clinician-evaluated severity of physical symptoms in FND patients.

    CONCLUSION
    Patients with FND present widespread reduced microstructural integrity in the brain, predominantly originating from temporoparietal, paralimbic and associated regions involved in emotion regulation and body awareness. These changes seem to be partly explained by comorbid mood disorders and the severity of physical symptoms, suggesting a plasticity phenomenon rather than trait biomarkers, which warrants further investigation in longitudinal study designs.

    HIGHLIGHTS
    • Widespread reduced white matter integrity found in FND patients vs healthy controls.

    • Physical symptom severity in FND patients linked to lower microstructural integrity.

    • Between-group differences explained by comorbid anxiety and depression symptoms.

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    All the fancy tech and yet the researchers still can't seem to think clearly about association and causation.

    People with more severe symptoms are more likely to score worse on surveys claimed to assess depression and anxiety. Part of that is that the surveys can't properly differentiate debilitating chronic illness from depression and anxiety. Part of it is that is that having a debilitating chronic illness that reduces a person's ability to earn a living and do the things they like to do makes people, at least some of the time, sad and worried.
     
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    I still don’t understand how they get away with diagnosing a «functional» disorder through positive signs.
    @Hutan has already elaborated on the issues with STAI in other studies:
    The same goes for BDI. I won’t bother listing the questions, but they can be found here:
    https://www.ismanet.org/doctoryourspirit/pdfs/Beck-Depression-Inventory-BDI.pdf
     
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    The right TPJ is discussed.

     
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    Again, where is the functional bit in the finding of altered structures?

    There is now only one way out of this for the medical profession: completely drop the whole FND category and concept, fire those responsible for inflicting this cruel travesty on the world, and start again from scratch with a whole new team.
     
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    If that is the case, they should abolish the «functional» aspect, and all of the assumptions that their proponents have made about the causality. Essentially, scrap the entire field.
     
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    I think David Tuller's written about that.
    AFAI Remember they created a clinical construct saying it happens because software problems in the brain, claiming they could differentiate it with positive signs (which are pretty subjective and rely on opaque things like "neurological expertise")

    It's done like this so the concept is by definition "valid". In that there can't be any studies disproving the validity of the positive signs since the concept is defined by the positive signs.

    The logic ends up looking suspiciously like:
    FND exists because positive signs show it. Positive signs show FND because FND exists as defined by these signs.

    Which in a sense is okay logic if FND is a clinical category. But since the whole concept assumes an unproven mechanism and treats people as if they had this mechanism with no validiy behind it, its not okay.
     
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    This is just a circular argument.
     
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    You could say the same for ME/CFS though. the difference is one is a clinical grouping whcih we acknowledge we dont know if it has validity and with no assumed mechanism while FND by definition assumes a mechanism and validity.
     
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    Yes, totes functional and all that jazz. Makes perfect sense to go downstairs to get to the roof. Smart people they got over there.
     

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