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Professor Michael Sharpe

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Cheshire, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    Anyone else think it’s noteworthy that he’s had to go outside the UK to get this coverage?
     
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  2. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Oh my.. Hadn't seen this one before :(
    One of the authors, Ulrik Malt, believes illnesses like ME are "trendy" conditions and becomes epidemic by being spread via social contamination.
    In a teaching book about psychiatry he classified ME as neurasthenia.
     
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  3. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Any pointed criticism they receive of their work they refer to as intimidation.
     
  4. Keela Too

    Keela Too Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    It’s almost getting to the stage that any slur they hurl at us, is effectively an admission of their own guilt of that very thing. So they say we are intimidating them? Likely that is exactly what they are up to themselves! There is a name for this I think. Projection or something.
     
  5. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    For some reason that makes me think of projectile vomiting. Sorry. Too much Sharpe and Chalder on the forum today for me to stomach.
     
  6. Liv aka Mrs Sowester

    Liv aka Mrs Sowester Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What wonderful news!

    Let's hope he sticks to his word and stays away (and he isn't expecting us to have a whip round for a card and a leaving gift).
     
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  7. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think it is VERY relevant that this has come from the Netherlands, home of several BPS *******.
    Hopefully it is a good sign that UK outlets are finally becoming wary of him.
     
  8. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My printer had a similar reaction and choked on it. Now I have managed to extract several mangled extracts.
     
  9. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I note they do not publish the email MS sent to C. Monaghan, where he says that her behaviour was 'unbecoming'o_O

    Also, if he has washed his hands of CFS 'research' and still thinks PACE needs no further analysis, why is the MRC 'supporting the authors' in anonymising the PACE trial data? Or is it just Chalder doing it now?
     
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  10. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    While I don't necessarily think that this article will have much traction at this point I find it frightening from another perspective.

    How easy (so very easy) it is to make a whole group of people, none of whom you've ever met or engaged with in any way -- Other. You see MS on the laptop screen and the person conversing with him with his hands fingertips touching in a 'thoughful' gesture. This is a man who thinks he is siding with reason because reason will always be found on the side of authority, of those who are educated and 'know better'.

    This is paternalism at it's worst. No need to go to the source and have an open mind. The narrative of us all being the stupid unwashed is in fact appealing. It boosts the person in their own esteem.
     
  11. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    It seems that every quote of a patient/activist came from replies to Sharpe's most recent batch of tweets that asked questions such as "What kind of research do patients want?" Was he planning on harvesting the most critical tweets and then calling them intimidation?

    He asked for our thoughts. He started the dialogue and then framed the replies as "intimidation."

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1009496281998229504


    Edited for clarity(?) and fumbling with words.
     
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  12. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I would have thought so yes, "we" do have the odd positive idea, or two, on both research and care.
     
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  13. Barry

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    I think he's simply seen the inevitable downfall he has made for himself with his crappy science, and has been looking for an exit strategy - this is it I imagine. He's hardly the type to put his hands up and apologise and make good - instead it has to be everyone else's fault, as always. I think @NelliePledge is on the button that he's had to scratch around outside the UK for that; those in the UK maybe won't touch him with a barge pole now. Even SW seemed to be ready to throw MS under the bus the other day, with his words alluding to how "we" got things wrong, but probably meaning 0.1% blame SW and the rest on others ... enter MS.
     
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  14. NelliePledge

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    I think this is quite likely
     
  15. Barry

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    I strongly suspect he was prodding for reactions, and sorely disappointed that the only reactions he got by and large were highly valid criticisms of his science. So making the 'best' of what he got and still trying to convince the gullible it was 'intimidation'. Just because the truth intimidates you MS, does not make it intimidation in the sense you imply.
     
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  16. Barry

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    https://www.britannica.com/topic/defense-mechanism#ref195659
     
  17. Peter Trewhitt

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    There are some very pertinent comments on Demonitor's Facebook post which is very heartening. Virtually all the comments so far (at least those that I think I have understood) were very critical of Sharpe. (Apart from one commentor who kept getting annoyed that people were talking about ME. He asserted that PACE was relevant to only CFS and that Sharpe had personally confirmed that it had nothing to do with ME. It would be interesting to see what Sharpe had actually said on this.)

    Unfortunately Sharpe, and perhaps also the reporter, rather than addressing the points raised are likely to see this as confirmation of what horrid bullies people with ME are.
     
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  18. Keela Too

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    I assume that would be Guido Den Broeder. If I recall correctly I'm sure I've seen him declare that anyone diagnosed with CFS can't possibly have ME.

    For a response see this post: https://www.s4me.info/threads/diagn...he-labels-me-and-cfs.12101/page-8#post-313076
     
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  20. Lucibee

    Lucibee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1011341850786123779


    https://twitter.com/user/status/1009799645445480448


    I couldn't find the second quote as a response to his June 20th tweet, although one did mention "flawed research":

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1010228175010443264


    Second quote appears here though:

    https://twitter.com/user/status/982908194094833665


    It's clear that he blocks once he's got what he wants.
     
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