BACME -The challenges from diagnosis to treatment mean that ME/CFS can have a dramatic impact on patients’ lives.

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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The challenges from diagnosis to treatment mean that ME/CFS can have a dramatic impact on patients’ lives. Representatives from the British Association of Clinicians in ME/CFS (BACME) provide further insights
    https://www.openaccessgovernment.or...halomyelitis-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/189458/
     
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  2. Beth

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    Doesn't their severe M.E. Info/guides need changing still or is it not as bad as I'm remembering?
     
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    The article reads very much like a ChatBot answer I am afraid. It is full of medical jargon and much of it has no evidence base or real meaning. No surprises but it is a pity that this is still the sort of advice that the government is making use of.

    The stuff about explaining physiology to patients is just make believe, as we all know.

    S4ME fact sheets are going to be an awful lot better than this.
     
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    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    It's not as bad as some of the drivel we have seen from BACME, with its recognition of ME/CFS as a long-term illness and acknowledgement of severe ME/CFS. But yes, still not evidence based.

    Authors:
    Anna Gregorowski
    Chair and Consultant Nurse
    British Association of Clinicians in ME/CFS (BACME)

    Dr Vikki McKeever
    GP with specialist interest in ME/CFS
    Yorkshire Fatigue ME/CFS Service and Leeds and West Yorkshire ME/CFS Service

    I wish people would stop using these words.

    We don't know that ME/CFS causes symptoms in "any" part of the body, and, even if it did, that is not what makes diagnosing ME/CFS difficult. It is that most symptoms are similar to those in some other conditions, and that there are no biomarkers.

    The varying diagnostic criteria are not what confounds research. A researcher can clearly state the selection criteria they have used and get on with their study. Varying criteria might create some problems when reviews of research are done, but it hasn't been a major thing holding back research.

    They say these things so confidently, as if they were proven facts. Most of them are not. It's a big problem when clinicians in contact with people when they are vulnerable feel that they can say these things.

    This is so vague, it could mean a few things, some of which are possibly ok. One reading is it is excusing poor outcomes from clinics and research into the type of therapies BACME has promoted. Lots of illnesses have fluctuations and yet these illnesses can be successfully researched.

    Yeah, we don't know what the abnormal physiological processes are. Like so many people taking it upon themselves to advise people with ME/CFS, they get excited with the idea of advising people to use spreadsheets and coloured markers to plan their life better, with scheduled activity and rests. But you don't see a lot of clinicians lining up to support people with ME/CFS to come to terms with all the parts of their life that must be given up.

    'Pacing' and 'behavioural strategies' are too often presented as being about peeling the potatoes in the morning and chopping the broccoli in the afternoon, when real adaptation is about much more fundamental decisions about work and family such as 'is part-time work going to be sustainable?' or 'who can provide care?'.
     
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    The challenges from diagnosis to treatment? There are no treatments. ME/CFS is an often devastating illness for which there are no effective treatments. That is what has a “dramatic impact” on people’s lives.

    The self-aggrandising nonsense from these people is astonishing.
     
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    I think it's awful.

    Lots of meaningless sentences, jargon, misinformation, claims they provide specialist treatments that can lead to improvement. People with severe and very severe ME/CFS are dismissed in a sentence.

    I think it's probably worse than something AI would produce.
     
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