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Exactly. This is of course a main point I'll make in appealing the decision. It's really absurd for this paper to suggest it should or could be exempt from ethical review.

After I read that earlier piece, I sent him a short message expressing my sympathy. I noted that though we disagreed strongly on this issue, I hoped he and his family were coping as best as possible with whatever it was he was dealing with, etc.

Let's hope. In the US, it would be devastating and a serious career black mark to have to correct the ethics statements in 11 studies after having had to agree to a 3,000-word correction/clarification in another study. Going forward, it would be hard for such an investigator to convince his/her...

As I wrote in my post about the findings, and previously, a "shrewd sleuth" flagged this issue for me. I didn't discover it myself. That might have been "lilpink"--I'm not sure.

From Horton's recent post about having many medical appointments, it would appear he might be suffering from a serious illness. Does anyone know the facts on that? I agree his position is really hypocritical here, as has been his hectoring others about bad science, given his egregious...

Not sure about that, but I intend to make sure Bristol knows about it.

As I have added to the FB post, the letter came from chief executive Teresa Allen. I had sent her a copy of my letter to Bristol. I don't know exactly what prompted the letter, but it is phrased in a way that lends support to my position in relation to Bristol. And yes, I think it puts more...

Technically I only asked for the complaints to be withdrawn, not an apology. An apology would be nice, of course.

We shall see. I have a feeling they will not file further complaints, in any event. They obviously know they are in the wrong. Whether that will prompt them to act I have no idea. But that's no reason not to remind them publicly that their "actions and behaviour" cannot be justified.

Sure that would be good. Actually, the schools were said to be in the Bath area.

Parents must, but how to find them? The education department has claimed to know nothing about it. The specific schools were not identified in the study.

Adrian, my sense is that no one gave approvals for anything, no one consented anyone, and Professor Crawley did more or less what she wanted, with the assistance of three schools in the area. She called it a "pilot study" but then claimed it was part of regular school clinical services. Bristol...

I have tried repeatedly to get a copy of the letters. Bristol says they don't have them and the clinic in Bath should have them. The clinic in Bath referred me back to Bristol. No one will acknowledge having them. Since there was no ethical review and no apparent consent, there's no real way to...

Interesting. Has Mr Stevens informed Cochrane of this? Why rely on Cochrane about ME but not about homeopathy? Hm. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

Yes, this would also suggest that these meetings cannot be defined as standard clinical services.

It is rather confusing. As I documented at length, this "pilot program" really should not be defined as service evaluation. The point seems to be that they believe it was done in the course of the provision of normal school clinical services, but since it's a pilot program it wouldn't seem to...

I was asked to publish it whole. Since I've done that, the request does not bind anyone else, as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure as far as they're concerned. I mean, no one else has agreed to that condition so the HRA certainly couldn't have any expectation that it applies to anything but the...

This is certainly true, given that the PACE authors acknowledged a significant mistake in the Lancet correspondence about how they characterized the population of a database they used to developed their bogus "normal range." The point has never been corrected in The Lancet, and Dr Horton has...

Can you point me to a specific place where that is clear?

I have pointed out to the HRA that I consider the vice chancellor to have already compromised his independence in this regard and should have no place in adjudicating this matter. That argument has not apparently persuaded anyone involved.