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Forbes is a business magazine. I mean...it might be about business...

Couldn't find an answer in this thread. In case you asked about the piece in the opening post: Rutherford, Jonathan (Summer 2007). "New labour, the market state, and the end of welfare". Soundings, issue: Politics and markets. Lawrence & Wishart. 36: 40–55. [says Wikipedia]

Does anybody have access to the paper? [Edit 2018/07/06: full text now available: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09638288.2018.1481149?scroll=top&needAccess=true] I find the abstract very promising. I am a bit worried about this, though: Yes, I too reject the BPS model, but...

Will there be a sequel with the next generation (starring Esther Crawley)?

Another adjustable rhetoric of the BPS narrative of ME/CFS "Before I / PACE entered the stage, there was nothing". "I" says Sir Wessely, when presenting himself as the good guy - meaning the late 80s when he began his "CFS"-carreer. "PACE" says Prof. Sharpe - ignoring that they both had entered...

https://www.s4me.info/threads/michael-sharpe-skewered-by-johnthejack-on-twitter.3464/page-82#post-83770

Michael Sharpe 2002, Functional Symptoms and Syndromes, in UnumProvident, Trends in Health and Disability 2002, Chief Medical Officer’s Report, https://web.archive.org/web/20030126154618/http://www.unum.co.uk/downloads/CMOReport.PDF, p.15-21: p.18, Social Factors: p.19 p. 19, Obstacles to...

@dave30th , missed Lucibee's reply?

Perhaps it is worth taking into account that there also were pwme who did the 2-day-CPET testing. As others pointed out, most probably the mildly or newly affected pwme are more likely to have participated in PACE trials. Additionally, they also more likely have participated in the 2day-CPET...

I am too slow for this ultralong and exciting thread, sorry. (Could be of interest for communication sociology, though - a forum thread that reports live from a debate taking place on twitter, at the same time commenting on all possible aspects of the debate) Thus, apologies in advance in case...

Perhaps we could set up a fundraising campaign for paying a S4ME trainee? Edited: a fundraising campaign for @Keela Too :)

interesting wording by SW -- he's "pretty sure", then "checked back with MS" who "thinks"...

Thank you, @Carolyn Wilshire. It's more precise to say:" anybody who is denying an actually existing, pathological fear of exercise" - At least I think that this is what the BPS approach implies. (Have edited my post accordingly) What do you think?

Some preliminary thoughts about how to categorize the PACE trial in scientific terminology -- and why this could be important. I thought that the ME patient community and their advocates pointed to some contradictory and unlogical elements already in the underlying assumptions of the previous...

A narrative?

Hm, is it possible to falsify a [edit: theoretical] model which is inconsistent and contradictory in itself [edit: by running a trial based on this already flawed model]?

My feeling uncomfortable with "Black Triangle" naming themselves "Black Triangle" does not include a critque of their general agenda and advocacy. Apologies for not having added this in my comment.

To all who joined the discussions on twitter and on S4ME since Simon Wessely got Mike Godwin interested in the PACE trial debate: a big thank you. I was very happy and relieved to see Mike Godwin reacting so open-minded, interested, smart and empathic in this matter. Furthermore, I hope that...

Thanks, Andy. Thought the typo had been addressed before and been corrected, and only the URL was to the old version, but now it seems somehow it slipped in again (or rather the "p" slipped out again).