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  1. Snow Leopard

    Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in ME/CFS, 2019, Lien et al

    I was specifically referring to the performance at the ventilatory threshold, not VO2Peak. The conclusions that the authors are making about VO2Peak are assuming that patients and controls actually achieved their VO2Max, something which I am sceptical about. Why would we assume that patients...
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    The Stanford Daily: Stanford Medicine professor (José Montoya) fired for violating University rules of conduct (june 2019)

    I think it is important not to speculate as to the reasons why until we are told more details...
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    Yes, the real placebo effect is a transient reduction in pain due to conditioning of the bodies endorphin system. There is some biological evidence of this. This system has obvious evolutionary advantage, namely being able to temporarily suppress pain for the purpose of escaping danger.
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    Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in ME/CFS, 2019, Lien et al

    Yes, an RER of 1 or 1.1 or whatever does not indicate that participants have necessarily reached a true VO2Max. To clarify my view, I do believe that the true VO2Max on the second day in patients will be lower than the first day, but methodological constraints means this is hard to capture...
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    Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in ME/CFS, 2019, Lien et al

    The ventilatory threshold is much more interesting than merely the turning point to anerobic energy production. So much more is going on at that point, including increased neural drive from the brain, recruitment of substantially more muscle fibres and there is also an autonomic response -...
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    Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in ME/CFS, 2019, Lien et al

    Many patients in these studies were not exercised enough to reach true VO2Max. RER=1.1, age predicted HR etc are merely suggestive. Patients have to be pushed harder in terms of perceived exertion (which is basically central drive) to achieve VO2Max and the level of encouragement etc is...
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    Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in ME/CFS, 2019, Lien et al

    This study did reproduce the major consistent finding so far: reduced performance at the ventilatory threshold. The 8th study so far if we include the study based on a single pair of twins. The VO2Peak findings have been inconsistent because patients have not been consistently exercising to...
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    Regression to the mean is not a placebo effect, it is a bias that is often falsely attributed to the placebo effect.
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    Michael Sharpe: Mind, Medicine and Morals: A Tale of Two Illnesses (2019) BMJ blog - and published responses

    I was under the impression that the blog post was the article, just not in print yet.
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    The "placebo response" in patients is highly likely to be the same as it is in any other group of people. The problem is a variety of reporting biases are being bundled up as a "placebo effect" and then claiming that the placebo effect* is magically high in some cases and low in others. When the...
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    The Timeline of Post Exertional Malaise in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2018, Nielsen, Hodges

    It means that patients performed better on the 2nd CPET (72 hours after) than the first CPET, so there was no effect of PEM on performance after 72 hours. There is generally a mild performance increase the second time a person does a CPET, basically because they are more familiar with what they...
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    Again, how does that explain this? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15784798
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    Or is the same old cognitive mistake that many of us make? Assume your preconceptions are correct and try to cherry pick the facts to suit.
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    Wessely/Deale/Chalder 1995 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7709961 Which is totally contradictory to their conclusion from their review of "placebo" responses in clinical trials: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15784798 He also seems to be quite aware that patients don't actually...
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    Beware creating a moral panic about antivaxxers Fiona Fox The Times 2019

    Yes, as I said in my first post - all the hate demonstrated against antivaxxers on the internet is hardly going to change their mind. All of those people going on nasty tirades against antivaxxers on the internet, are at best, are wasting their time.
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    Beware creating a moral panic about antivaxxers Fiona Fox The Times 2019

    Here are the number of diagnosed cases of vaccine preventable illnesses and number of deaths in the USA from 1950 onwards. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/e/reported-cases.pdf And I'll also come out and say it: antivaxxers still annoy me because they're...
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    The Timeline of Post Exertional Malaise in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2018, Nielsen, Hodges

    Because they lack knowledge of those fields. Many doctors for example, don't understand the necessity of double-blinding to control bias in clinical trials and many doctors think that unblinded randomised non-pharmacological trials are unbiased.
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    A general thread on the PACE trial!

    The authors of that review don't seem to know what a "placebo response" even is. Changes in subjective outcome measures in a blinded control group from baseline cannot automatically be attributed to placebo effects as they can be due to a wide variety of biases.
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    Michael Sharpe: Mind, Medicine and Morals: A Tale of Two Illnesses (2019) BMJ blog - and published responses

    What does this mean? Were these patients who submitted Disqus responses? Or did they deliberately invite patients who agree with Sharpe to respond?
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