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That anger you see in us? That's fear. We know what is coming if this isn't stopped. For everybody, not just us. There seems no appeal to evidence, reasoning, or simple human decency, no matter how compelling, that is able to stop this malignant juggernaut. This has been the case from day one...

They will just start saying that we have MUS in addition to ME.

The conclusion that will be drawn by the MUSers from this is that even a medical training doesn't protect against false illness beliefs.

There was a nasty confluence of, um, interests between academic psychiatrists out to make a name and empire, a public health system being endlessly defunded and desperate to find savings, a private insurance industry trying to maintain their endless profits & growth, a science journal system...

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Without in any way downplaying the appalling tragedy and cost of Covid deaths, I remain firmly of the view that the tragedy and cost of Long Covid is going to be much worse. Something society is only just starting to even consider, let alone fully grasp. It is also the reason why 'natural herd...

Without in any way downplaying the appalling tragedy and cost of Covid deaths, I remain firmly of the view that the tragedy and cost of Long Covid is going to be much worse. Something society is only just starting to even consider, let alone fully grasp. It is also the reason why 'natural herd...

I wasn't given that advice, but like most of us got the contrary advice, which I did follow and have paid the price for. But I can't honestly say that if I had been given the sort of advice early on that you were given, that I would have believed or followed it, at least intially. I got sick at...

Can't remember who, but many years back a researcher/clinician said that ME/CFS was not a technical problem, it was a political problem (of certain people blocking progress).

Exactly the same appallingly incompetent 'advice' they have been giving for ME for decades, in exactly the same appallingly patronising tone. They have learned nothing, flatly refuse to do so, and clearly regard patients as morons in denial. The BPS school have a lot to answer for.

GPs lay ground for psychosocial ascriptions by first introducing psychosocial concerns as a consequence rather than a cause of complaints. How to build a trusting relationship with your patients. Not. Do these guys ever think through the real consequences of what they are doing?

I hope there will come a day when those patients can tell the full story of what happened behind the scenes.

Wessely is one of the great sophists and manipulators of history. I am not joking.

Yeah, for NICE to now backtrack, given the wording of the draft, would be very difficult. And rightly so.

The Medical Department for Internal Medicine and Psychosomatic Medicine is a pioneer and renowned department in the treatment of psychosomatic diseases. Says The Medical Department for Internal Medicine and Psychosomatic Medicine.

IIRC, the studies on who can best pick out liars show only one group scoring much more than random guesses. You won't be surprised to learn it wasn't psychs. It was spies working in the field, whose lives depended on it.

Example 43964 of why some people are beyond help.

Fair point. Perhaps it might be better to say that death is the most unambiguous of possible outcomes. Difficult to put a positive spin on it.

but less important for objective criteria, such as death. "less important" :rolleyes: I think for this criteria we can safely call blinding completely irrelevant.