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I'm more curious if they will accept samples from the undead. At this rate by the time i can leave them brain tissue i won't have any left :dead:

I used to be delayed a few days, once i made it a whole week. These days its same day or next day, sometimes two days but very rarely.

I do not say this whatsoever

Yes I agree but this is an important question to answer, if we can stop deterioration by proving its caused by PEM episodes then that will improve many patient's lives until there is a treatment/cure. It may be more ethical to do in depth surveys on patients then follow up later, how often do...

You will get no argument from me, but i have been warned Its interesting how once something is okay for the "worst" cases many conditions now qualify, the definition expands when useful

That is a long discussion that is probably best not to have in this thread.

This isn't the reference i was thinking of but came up in a quick google search https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/electroshock-treatment_b_1273359.html I agree completely with this I agree that you can seizure peoeple into not thinking about their problems. Thats not a cure...

I don't even know where to start on this one. Children younger then 4 being treated with ECT, sounds cavalier to me. Disproportionately women, whose hysteria and unwillingness to follow gender roles is used as evidence of mental illness is another. I could explain the more graphic examples and...

It can be replicated, its just a very stupid thing to do. It would be like being in the middle of the ocean on a rubber boat and seeing what happens of you put a hole in the bottom. Logic says you will sink but lets pretend we can't foresee that and test it :emoji_face_palm: Oh and we will bill...

A discussion elsewhere and my thread have led to this question i think should be researched. Would people diagnosed with ME/CFS stop progressing if they stayed out of PEM. Of course people are diagnosed at all stages since most visit many doctors over many years before being diagnosed but for...

That may sound good on the surface but the history of terrible abuses of this technique should not be forgotten. Someone once said history does not repeat itself but it does rhyme. ECT has been used on children, in mental hospitals involuntarily and worse...

I could go on a long discussion of bad faith, the history of ECT is very gruesome but i suspect that would go over badly. Of course it matters that they are similar, that is the point, arguing we should consider it when there are no other options echos something that is used against us, i find...

But one could unfortunately make the same argument for CBT/GET for ME/CFS, nothing else is available so why not try it. The poor science involved doesn't matter because there is nothing else that could do what this might. I seem to recall an S4ME thread where it was argued that if CBT/GET were...

I understand I'm sorry to hear about this, its never easy to tread into difficult places and i apologize to everyone i have rubbed the wrong way here

ECT is effective in alleviating depression in a good majority of cases, because of how it alters brain function. It has been claimed to only kill bad brain cells and spares healthy ones (a reference from a book i read decades ago), to fix brain imbalances and so on. Typically many who have...

Unfortunately being taught something does not make it correct, how many diseases were thought to be something then proved to be something else, from MS to narcolepsy generations of doctors were taught one thing that was then upended. Lets not forget lobotomies were thought of as miracle...

Experience and background in this area. There are some exceptions, people who have things like brain tumours, thyroid issues and sometimes side effects from drugs mean those things can be treated. Though sometimes brain tumours are inoperable unfortunately. If a person is spending years in...

I can't imagine why the deep depression happened :( It kills brain cells and we have no idea if that damage can ever be undone, if it reduces future lifespan, if it increases risk of diseases like Alzheimers or Parkinsons or others... In some cases it does cause permanent behavioral...

People who are traumatized have suffered great trauma. Its not a biochemical imbalance or neuroinflammation. So the answer is to kill their ability to feel emotions. For generations lobotomies were defended as heroic treatments, i wonder if they will make a return as well. Its even more...

Brain damaging emotional pain away is not a good thing, and just because they didn't respond to ignore your problems till they go away (CBT) or blunt emotions SSRIs does not mean the only answer is to kill brain cells till they can't feel emotional trauma. Its funny that killing intelligence and...