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Ah, I remember now...(I hope we mean the same :) ) I checked the thread, and it was about "undeserving patients", something which could refer to Sharpe although I think Wessely might have said something like that, too. There are some quotes circulating, and I was trying to find the originals...

Well, that's a dèja-vu :(

Has anybody a source for that quote about chronic fatigue and secondary gains and sick role? I simply can't find it.

I question in the meanwhile how many doctors actually know what burning muscles feel like. I came across a healthy person who never used her muscles until they burned, obviously, because she asked what it feels like. I assume that's not uncommon. So how are they supposed to understand when you...

And with whom?

That was exactly the background of my question. I would like to know what the project is about.

My personal impression is this is often a farce. Maybe people who have a private health insurance will be treated properly. There were some anecdotes about Marburg which didn't sound too moving. Concerning the other centers: I am not sure what to make of them. Tübingen insists on psychological...

Thanks a lot @rvallee. If you or anyone else comes across a reference for that quote, I would be glad.

Do you maybe have the original quote at hand? (I could need it.)

Do you know some background about this guy?

There you have the entire gang. It's really scary.

Does someone know more about what was said and asked?

Hm, seems Gotthard Booth wasn't a no-name: https://www.nytimes.com/1975/11/17/archives/drgotthard-booth.html He's written several books, too. But that doesn't mean he had broad influence. @Samuel, do you know better?

This is all very troubling. There really seems to be put quite an effort into redefining any disease as "biopsychosocial". This is returning to the past. I wonder if the BPS believers are aware of the fact that their ideas are old. And if they're aware, the question is: What does that say us?

Following @Samuel's post, you can put Parkinson's on your list of diseases that were viewed as psychosomatic in the past, it seems.

Actually, I was surprised to find that the idea of Eugenics came from Francis Galton from the UK and was very popular in the US before it came to Germany. It makes sense that Germany was not an enclave of ideologies about sick and disabled people, but it shows very clearly what these ideologies...

Thank you @MSEsperanza. My impression was after skimming the Wikipedia pages on Neurology and Psychiatry that they seem to have developed independently, which intuitively doesn't make sense. @Samuel, great find!

Who can participate: Wouldn't regular menstrual cycles indicate normal hormone levels? What's the sense of that? Or is it just to show that women with CFS are goats that react too sensitive to their hormones? Grrr.

Incredible. Dumbness is infinite indeed. At the same time, these developments are disturbing.

If, by any chance, you come across any references, I'll be interested.