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That's how I understand it. He's actually advertising his fatigue-Oxford-CFS-agenda, like "Look, I'm opnening your eyes - I created CFS and I'll show you this is reality - the only reality". He's discrediting ME. It was maybe the beginning of his CFS-CF-CBT-GET success.

I don't read it like you. How do you come to that conclusion? I only read the page Lucibee displayed. I interpret it such like Wessely differentiates between CFS and ME. CFS is defined operationally, ME - is not? CFS is a real diagnosis - ME is not? He says things about ICD that puzzle me (CFS...

Does this really exist to some notable extent?

While I respect any individual's experiences, I dislike how people believe that their way is the way, and thus promise a cure. :mad: By the way, equaling chronic fatigue and adrenal fatigue and burnout and CFS/ME...!? Edit: @Hutan, this hurt. :D

Thanks for taking your time @Lucibee, I absolutely appreciate it. Maybe I will be able to use that for legal issues.

Many thanks @Lucibee! and thank you @chrisb! Edit: Lucibee, can you also provide the page with chris' quote from post #22?

Thank you @Lucibee! @chrisb, do you have the book? Would it be possible that you post a snapshot of the page where your quote is written?

Do you have a doi or link to that? I can't find it. Or is it a book? Do you have an ISBN?

I think what can also be clearly seen in this example is how similar the contents of different authors are. This is not science. I always wonder how something can be published that just cites what others have already written, without adding anything new or without something that needed extensive...

They are also reinforcing fear on the doctors which is powerful for establishing and holding their ideology.

Henningsen, Fink et al. "Medically Unexplained Symptoms, Somatisation and Bodily Distress: Developing better clinical Services", Cambridge Medicine, Ch. 2, p. 63: "If the doctors do not consider the possibility that the symptoms are stress reactions or otherwise based on altered perceptions...

Now I understand what they understand under "fatigue"! I think many of us know jetlag...my impression was it's always pretty severe. But I could function absolutely normal without any limitations. It's not comparable what people with ME experience, by far. It's so different that I wonder how...

That's a good talk (but I didn't listen to everything yet). I have respect for Gøtzsche.

Obviously that's not what I meant. And I don't think we should start discussing systems (forum rules, very complex, often emotionally loaded). Let me just say that I think it could be better - there are problems - and I think there could be alternatives, but I wouldn't think too restricted (most...

That's really odd, I agree. I think most of us were maybe glad to have a name for one's disability, but to find joy in the diagnosis? The symptoms remain the same, no matter the name. I mourned for 6 weeks and said good-bye to my old life, at least for some time, and I set the goal to get back...

That must be a great feeling for the activists, to have that power...if only I could feel that too...and if only I could see the change that comes along with it... (cynisism)

My feeling is Sharpe has no problem with using his name for comments.

interesting! I wouldn't have recognized them. The concussions I had had the following symptoms - in the order of increasing time: headache terrible (!) headache, like an implosion nausea very, very sleepy, falling "asleep", "deep" sleep, heavy exhaustion unable to answer/speek, unable to open...

I hope wikipedia is a reliable source in that case... Indeed, the per individual cost in the US is higher than in Germany or UK. In US, 46,2% of the costs are paid by the state. In Germany, it is 77%. I think the US health system is more expensive for the individual due to privatization...

@NelliePledge @Jonathan Edwards, what I meant: The US health system is mostly private. Yes, people pay more; but the state doesn't. That's what counts. In contrast, the German, UK etc. health system is also financed by the state, and the state wants to reduce costs (and make possible profit...