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Indeed. I'd say that that objective scrutiny lies with the members and the Charity Commission. And would guess that until recently the trustees have been (un)lucky that the combination of passive membership (due to unawareness of their power, and chronic illness) and successfull stance to keep...

Er...why is he escalating? Afaik no-one is accusing them of fraud? Meanwhile, the statement that says in big, fat letters that "The current version of the Articles, as registered with Companies House in 2014, does not forbid such payments.", and "The correct 2014 version of the Articles has now...

It's conceivable that this probably had to do with a combination of busy activities at the "front" of the organization and less priority and even some carelessness regarding governing/procedural matters in the "back". When looking at this matter, we've seen a pattern of not-quite-right stuff...

And none on 4 June 2018. This matches with the modification date for the PDF, 28 June 2018. (Thanks for checking!)

I thought he was implying that the CH's "full version" was because it included 2013's section (a) or something. The statement also says, still up and in big, bolded letters, that "The current version of the Articles, as registered with Companies House in 2014, does not forbid such payments." So...

I thought they appeared online in June/July 2018? For Jan-June 2018 (and earlier?) I thought there was no AoA at all posted in the policy section of the ME Association website, but I'd have to check again, I might have been mistaken.

Merci!:thumbup::thumbup: (I had that one in front of my nose this morning, missed the file name and latere wondered about this doc, ha!)

In Dx Revision Watch's post : Left, the AoA registered at Companies House in 2013 - allows payment to trustees for services Middle, the AoA registered at Companies House in 2014 -does NOT allow payment to trustees for services, unless section (c) exceptional case with CC permission Right, the...

But did they do that with permission of the Charity Commission? It would go so against the basic guidance and principles of the Charity Commission as well. And I've seen a lot of procedural sloppyness from the ME Association. Also, updating your complete AoA in a new format/law adherence is a...

The document created on 3 March 2014, created at the exact same moment as the one that contained the text of the AoA of November 2014 as posted online (with this path file name) and registered with Companies House in the same month, was modified on 28 June 2018. This is not only and additional...

This also demonstrates (unless I'm mistaken - my brain is a tad wonky, but I think I'm right) that Art 28 section (a) from the AoA-Nov 13 (in use Nov 2013-Nov 2014) was an addition, not a continuation of existing situation. Between 2007 and 2013 there was no situation where companies owned by...

I don't think so too. Also, if I understand it right, members have a right to remove a trustee: Charity trustees: resignation and removal - GOV.UK See also Articles 7 and 25 in the AoA-Nov14

In general or because of this? :laugh: There are lot of nuts and bolts, but it is not too bad. It's more that I keep being amazed at the claims that are made in relation to the known documentation.

It's indeed a term from politics. The idea is that your policy suggestions should fall within a "window" range of what is socially accepted to avoid being discarded or the person suggesting them as an extremist or nut job, "...the window frames the range of policies that a politician can...

I've pondered the same thing: also as it rather contradicts Article 4 of the same AoA. (Or can be interpreted to contradict article 4.) The section (a) in the 2013 AoA also does not really follow good practise advise from the Charity Commission either, they're quite clear that such payments are...

For completeness: Article 28 is preceded by Article 4 regarding Use of income and property. See also: Trustee expenses and payments - GOV.UK

Yes, and the Annual Report from 2022 (which holds the info also present in the 2023 report) Link (Edited to add: section 19, page 28.) Peter White apparently has additional documents, as he mentions a third trustee, Richard Osman, as having received payment for website hosting in his email...

Thank you for looking at this. (Also for the earlier post where you compared documents.):thumbup: Edited to add: That's the impression I have of it too because of the date, a small post-registration correction. The error is not only minor, but it's very easy to prove that that subsection was...

Notes to self: it can be done.:laugh:

:rofl: Touché! :) I hope you understand that I'm solely only tripping over the word "unclear" in your summary - it is the situation the trustees are trying to create as real, derailing debate on the actual issue. I think that based on the available documentation, based on multiple sources, it...