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If so, they would have had the urge to delete the minutes on the vote of their AoA, which count as evidence, exactly between 19 November 2024 (the day after 1 year) and just after 9 December 2024 (the date Peter White asked his questions on the payments, citing the AoA-Nov'14 as registered at CH...

This indeed. It shouldn't have been such a mess at all, as you said earlier it's all rather straightforward. All evidence so far points fluidly to the AoA-Nov'14 being the one registered at Companies House. To show there was a mix-up, to start, the trustees should have easily been able to...

I don't think minute approval date plays a role here. Resolution and voting outcome should be kept for at least 10 years from the date of decision, so until 18/19 November 2024. Link and full text of secrions 355 and 358 in post #1383: That Riley is now telling Peter that he can't see the...

I can't type much now, too poorly. But well done Peter for continuing. And those last two sections of the email to Peter White seem odd, and possibly veiled language to me. Did the CC give express, specific written approval for the payment of services clause? And when? Also: full copies of the...

Indeed. And at the same time, the AoA registered in 2014 does show logical amendment to the 2013 AoA regarding the ME Association's objectives, its property and allowed payments (including the removal of that loose "director's expenses" in Article 4 that was not present as a header in the rest...

Also, again I am no legal expert, especially not in UK law, but if the Company Act 2006 still applies, then it says: and (bolded for emphasis/easy finding) Companies Act 2006

I suspect it's salvageable, and has the potential to be a good patient organization again. What I personally think it needs is a removal of the chair and any directors who stand behind the current way of working, and an internal attitude shift, where it is clear good governance is important and...

Thanks for the laugh this morning. (I think it tickled my funny bone because of the ridiculousness of just changing the web page and then pointing at that web page saying: "The current Articles are available for everyone to see." See! We are not wrong!)

Imo it's so bad because it further confirms an observed pattern and attitude. In itself it's not great, but easily remedied in a healthy organization. There's a lot of stuff to keep track of, so the occasional error, if responded to in a good way, would not bother me.

Thanks. I forgot I screenshotted this as well, so the 19th is certain. Indeed 12 December archive capture: no Q&A 19 December archive capture: Q&A The recent archive captures are indeed terrible. No idea why, but they keep reloading - nearly impossible to look at. I found Friday that on my...

Great you sent a letter. Curious about their answer to this one.

What I find extra gobsmacking about it, is that this was so easy to avoid by the ME Association.:banghead: By making sure their statements were checked and correct, contacting the Charity Commission immediately to help them sort this out, providing solid documentation and treating members with...

Great letter overall (as usual:)). I also like this suggestion but I wonder if such inquiry and report should not be done by the Charity Commission itself. (Or better said: that the Charity Commission will not do that anyway.) They are the oversight/regulation body after all and they do this...

The sections you quoted are interesting and relevant. I don't think that CH will change its registration by accepting the 2013 document as the 2014 AoA in good faith rather than demand documentary proof. The sections you quote are about record keeping at the company itself, but this is a matter...

How is that, if both those texts are clear that you need to hold one if your AoA states it? The ME Association still has an "old consitution". Article 32 in their governing document, both the current AoA and the previous one (including the doc now up as AoA), says they have to hold one. They...

This is the Q&A bit on the trustee contracts: Note they do not answer the question they posed, is it true that you have contracted out services to trustees without the consent of the Charity Commission? (Per the registered and uploaded AoA-Nov'14 these payments would be illegal unless they...

The Q&A section was added after the 12 December. Did it appear simultaneously with the statement or later, do you know @Dx Revision Watch ? You copied it here on 20 December, do you know if that was the date it appeared? I skimmed it again yesterday, and noticed this doozy in the section on...

The statement about the payments is an absolute mess. I'm amazed that it's still up after nearly two weeks. Apologies if it has been mentioned earlier on this thread, but even the claim "The correct 2014 version of the Articles has now been uploaded."did not match the facts when the statement...

And you know what also would have happened twice if we followed the fits-no-documentation-so-far claim? Uploading the "wrong" AoA to the ME Association page as its current AoA. And the last time they did that was just two months before they suddenly say it's the wrong text after shit hit the...

I noticed the same thing as well and asked myself the same question. Sending the new AoA off to the registrator is serious business, I have a hard time imagining that you do that before concentrated end-checking. Either the document they printed would have had the date (like 11-3-2024, as they...