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Very impressive piece. Strongly recommend everyone here read it. Was easily digestible as well

Danish BPS proponents also argue something is wrong in the brain and use it to justify the biology part of the bio-psycho-social model of functional illnesses (they have no evidence obviously, and are as vague about it as possible to avoid being proven wrong).

Yeah it's completely intertwined, and the HPV debate is still used as a passive aggressive way to try and label the Danish ME/CFS community as anti-science. Just like you said, yes, this entire case is a complete fiasco for the faith in the Danish scientific community. Because the Danish health...

Couldn't agree more. No unnecessary concessions. Every time they make the scientifically bogus argument of good experiences we should point out that they are arguing like those who practice alternative medicine. We have studies, they show the treatment doesn't work. There isn't more discussion...

Can't remember where I read it, so given I don't have a source let's just called it rumor-based for now. They were completely open and transparent about it, if I remember correctly though. From the perspective of the Danish Health Authority and many Danish health care professionals (who are not...

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&u=http://ugeskriftet.dk/nyhed/soren-brostrom-til-fas-i-har-en-kognitiv-brist-i-forstar-ikke-magten-og-nar-i-er-klar-til-det?fbclid=IwAR02WxxiAuZPng7zAkbjru0ZtbgrCcVCk9lxTEoDmSMUTJ7UlPn2ZkHf7xg Søren Brostrøm at it again. At the yearly...

It's really impressive how Cochrane manage to dance around the actual problems of their review to avoid damaging their entire brand. The problem with the studies isn't that there exists some sort of special ME/CFS group of patients that the studies in question might not apply to. The problem is...

So this is the crazy thing my parents have guilt tripped me into. By the way two weeks in, still not cured of my ME/CFS :thumbup: No worries though, I'll let you guys know when I am finally cured after 3 years of drinking Celery every morning :balloons:

Thought this would be relevant to many ME/CFS patients. Glad this sort of stuff is getting more mainstream coverage.

I still have a hard time accepting that the 'everything is caused by trauma' crowd isn't some sort of satirical take on psychology.

Sadly, it looks like we are heavily affected by an issue that is so much bigger than just ME/CFS. Cochrane acknowledging that non-blinded studies that rely entirely on subjective outcome measures are problematic would have disastrous consequences for their entire brand. Since they would have to...

Sadly it's a common misconception in the Scandinavian ME/CFS debate. There is no need to compromise. The burden of proof is on the authors of PACE. The study used the broadest criteria and couldn't even show reliable evidence of improvement among patients. It's time to make up with the idea...

lol.. Wasn't one of the conclusions by Fluge and Mella how problematic it was to rely on subjective outcome measures? Yet somehow the study is now being used by BPSers as evidence that the patients in both groups had real improvement thus showing that psychology actually has an effect?

It definitely means that those in charge have no understanding of ME/CFS or the BPS model of ME/CFS. What has happened recently though is that the BPS model has changed a lot. Especially in Scandinavia... Or well.. It has changed outwardly, inside it is still rotten to its core. CBT or GET are...

I feel like this deserves its own thread It's important that everyone sees this. Thank you for your effort :)!

Doesn't work for me either now, I was a naughty boy and copy pasted in my original comment.

Bizarre article in Denmark about ME/CFS and functional neurological disorders (FND) https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&u=https://dagensmedicin.dk/lad-os-tale-om-funktionelle-neurologiske-lidelser/ Does anyone even know what to make of this? I'm honestly so confused I thouht...

The Danish school system does not place emphasis on teaching people how to write, and this opinion piece clearly shows. Op-eds in Denmark are the equivalent of angry Facebook posts. I've never heard of any of these doctors, and I don't think half of them even know what a functional disorder is...

The vast majority are currently trying to distance themselves from the entire fear avoidance theory. You will even find some claiming there is no such thing. Luckily a quick google for 'Pace Trial Lancet' is enough to prove them wrong. Of course the fear avoidance theory isn't just some theory...

The incompetence and cowardice by the CDC regarding them ''dropping'' CBT / GET was used in the Danish ME/CFS debate against patients. I definitely agree with a more aggressive stance being taken in this particular case.