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  1. Evergreen

    Myalgia, amitriptyline and alternatives

    PS When increasing night dose, I'd sometimes get a great night's sleep. Didn't last, though. It is supposed to improve the depth of your sleep. No obvious benefit for me except immediately after increasing the first few times. You mentioned grogginess. I think I could only claim this the...
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    Myalgia, amitriptyline and alternatives

    I have surprised myself by being able to tolerate Neurontin/Gabapentin for no-longer-manageable all-over-body joint pain. I can't take anti-cholinergics so amitryp, Cymbalta and all that lot are completely out for me. I was concerned about side effects especially because I have significant OI...
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    Mind, Madness and Power - Simon Wessely and others

    Excellent! I'll take a paradigm shift, and I agree that that is what is needed. Thanks for being one of those aiming high. :thumbup:
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    Mind, Madness and Power - Simon Wessely and others

    So good to have people who know all of this! Yes, he was an author on the FINE trial paper. I do wonder if the negative trial dented their confidence in the efficacy of CBT/GET-type approaches. Did they have a way of explaining the failure at the time that allowed them to continue undaunted...
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    Mind, Madness and Power - Simon Wessely and others

    I found this really interesting, thanks for posting, @Sly Saint. Richard Bentall, the Clinical Psychologist, made criticisms of the overall psychiatric approach that mirror those we and others make of the psych approach to ME/CFS – poor diagnostic criteria, continuing to use ineffective...
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    PACE trial TSC and TMG minutes released

    These two quotes from Sharpe and White stood out to me in the huge report by Malcolm Hooper/Margaret Williams linked to above http://www.margaretwilliams.me/2010/magical-medicine_hooper_feb2010.pdf , p.58 White, speaking/writing at a different time: The what now? The conflation of FM with...
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    United Kingdom: Science Media Centre (including Fiona Fox)

    I agree. I think that there are many different parties that need convincing and different narratives convince different people. And while ideally you'd hope that scientific arguments would convince all the health professionals, in practice, they're human too, and some will have their minds...
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    United Kingdom: Science Media Centre (including Fiona Fox)

    I think it’s important not to get sidetracked by the many points in this piece. The strength of the PACE crew's strategy is that they tell a simple narrative which is easy for media to regurgitate – GET and CBT are effective, patients reject psych, some patients are meanies. We need to tell...
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    United Kingdom: Science Media Centre (including Fiona Fox)

    If you look really, really closely at the treatment section of the SMC would-we-say-factsheet, you’ll see that medical care has a teeny tiny role: Yep, that’s it, sandwiched between four meaty, multi-sentence bullet points on CBT and GET and one on how pacing (sic) doesn’t work (sic). It’s...
  10. Evergreen

    Looking for study or article on ME and menstrual cycle disturbances

    @Arnie Pye linked to this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5745581/ in a recent thread. Here's the abstract (below). It looks like it could be very useful for your friend. With love to your friend and particularly to her/his daughter. Hoping she gets some relief soon and...
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    Quotes from scientists who appreciate the support of PWME

    How about this one: In case the tweet doesn't show, it's Carolyn Wilshire saying: "Keeping a copy of this awful tweet, which capitalises on a tragedy to criticise CFS patients' 'intense negativity'. [See tweet by Henrik Vogt, to which Carolyn is referring.] I think they may be negative...
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    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    Thanks so much for putting this information in such an easy-to-grasp format, @Simon M , really impactful. Gobsmacking stuff. And this is the clincher, really, isn't it:
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    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    Thanks for that link, @Esther12 . My FINE folder is filling up. This playing with numbers until they tell the story you want makes me suspicious that the SF36-PF may find itself usurped by a measure that is deemed more sensitive to change, because it often stubbornly suggests little or no...
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    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    Thanks for that really clear explanation, @Valentijn . Wow. So that's 88 patients whose bimodal scores indicate abnormal fatigue being counted as recovered under the Likert switch. I'm guessing their bimodal scores hadn't reduced by 50% either. For people like me who need to see these things...
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    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    Thanks @dave30th . Hm. I think the fact that Alison Wearden, lead author of the FINE trial, is listed in the PACE trial 2011 paper as being on the PACE trial group (as an “observer”) is noteworthy (p.835). While you would assume that people doing such similar work at the same time in the...
  16. Evergreen

    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    Again, you're right, and I've edited my post to point this out. Thanks! Just had a look at the PACE protocol paper, where they explain using a bimodally scored Chalder Fatigue Questionnaire as a primary efficacy measure, and a Likert scored CFQ as a secondary efficacy measure. In the PACE...
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    Rethinking the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome—A reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of graded exercise and CBT

    I'm tortoising my way through your paper - congrats to all authors on having it accepted for publication. Building on @Sean ’s comment on @Carolyn Wilshire ’s comment about when the decision to diverge from the original protocol definition of improvement was made - Just stumbled on my copy...
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    Activity pacing: moving beyond taking breaks and slowing down (Antcliff et al. 2018)

    I darn near stood up and clapped at this point in your fabulous rant, @JemPD. Thankfully my fear avoidance kicked in just in time. I'll add: We even know that when they say "Persistent Physical Symptoms", they mean "Psychosomatic"! Yep, we cracked that nut. Despite being unable to manage our...
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    Childhood sleep and adolescent CFS/ME: evidence of associations in a UK birth cohort (2018) Crawley et al.

    Chronic Disabling Fatigue was defined differently depending on what age the child was. I've separated this into chunks for easier reading, but the remainder of this post is a direct quote from the paper being discussed in this thread: "Children were classified as having CDF (of >6 months’...
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