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As @Trish said, to some extent. Many others will be left feeling guilty, shamed and inadequate. The damage to their confidence and self esteem will, in all likelihood, lead many of them to keep their mouths shut. Not only is directive CBT very effective at changing how some people fill in a...

The hallmark of a true BPS zealot. Take a symptom of an illness and make a confident declaration that it is comparable to something a healthy person experiences and recovers from. This is then seen as proof the issue is behavioural and ignores that the same proof can be used to say the symptom...

Correlation ≠ causation. Well, yes they would because they are healthy volunteers. Oh no it doesn't. It demonstrates that using healthy volunteers to try to mimic symptoms of a chronic illness doesn't work. If anything it might suggest that the sleep disruption in ME isn't behavioural nor...

I think you have a point @Barry, we don't know what the full version sill be for sure. On the other hand, unless there has been an error of epic proportions, the ranking of these studies is accurate. As they are downgrading the "evidence" that has come out of the research of some very eminent...

Yes. Also of interest is that at least one of these studies, PACE, was described as a "thing of beauty" by Simon Wessely who has written a book on psych research & how to go about it. I'm sure he's had a hand, even if only in the background, with a number of the other studies too. The ranking...

:thumbup: And assume everyone is too stupid to "read the [tables in the] paper" as an emminent Oxford Professor might put it. Thank you @Brian Hughes!

For the love of...... Would somebody please take the Scrabble tiles off these people?

Absolutely @Simbindi. Get as much proof and evidence to back our case as we can in there. At least it's in record then and if they ignore it when releasing the final guidelines they can't claim ignorance later. However, there's the letter of the thing and the spirit of the thing. The BPS mob...

If course they were, metaphorically at least. This is why, even if we haven't a hope of seeing real justice served, any of them who don't retract, renounce and correct their incorrect assumptions and conclusions of the past they cannot be trusted. They will simply try to carry on doing what...

:thumbup: In my view any of the people who were pro CBT & GET or who were responsible for delivering those treatments need to openly admit they were wrong and acknowledge the mistakes & misjudgements. If they're just letting it slide and hoping to quietly move on then they simply cannot be...

And why would they when they already know that their therapy can't cause any harm? [Sarcasm] Seriously though, whatever "treatment" is on offer at the very least patients should be able to report adverse events and have them recorded properly. An adverse event being something meaningful like...

I would also suggest that while Cochrane's work on ME / CFS is left standing it will be to the detriment of long covid patients, no matter how good their work on covid is. All that will happen is that patients with long covid will find themselves misdiagnosed or rediagnosed with CFS bearing in...

Thank you @Caroline Struthers! :thumbup:. This is the crux of it. The likes of Wessely, White, Miller, Chalder, Crawley etc claim to have studied ME and focussed their interest on ME when that is blatantly not the case. They made the mistake of focusing on their delivery of a particular...

No. I think it is high time took responsibility for the fact that more people are being harmed by these treatments they are legitimizing. I understand that there are extra pressures on everyone's time during the pandemic but if Cochrane had dine the right thing then it woukd have been done and...

I'd go further and say they if they were genuine they wouldn't have used the word "recovery" in the first place. There's no need to go torturing the meaning of the word until it squeaks. There are plenty of perfectly good words that are far more accurate they could have used such as...

Is it that back in those days peasants like us were unlikely to read and assess the evidence for ourselves and then have the temerity to question it? It it that those who did have an interest, also had a vested interest in specific interpretations and therefore chose that interpretation? Would...

I was tested too because I had a fair bit of contact with cows as a child and we drank unpasteurized milk, used butter made from it etc. The result was negative.

She can take a hike! :laugh: We have made significant progress with the draft guidelines - even if they are revised before they become their final version. We should allow ourselves to celebrate the win while accepting we still have a very long way to go and this struggle far from over. I'm...

:thumbup: Perhaps some researcher might like to do something constructive and carry out some research on how those conditions where doctors choose to redefine "recovery" are among the most stigmatized and where the outcomes are generally poorer than in the rest of medicine. Just because this...

I take mine a good hour before I go to bed - no later than 11pm. I can rarely sleep straight after going to bed so read a little fiction. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm awake in the wee hours and need the loo - which I will, at least obvious once, I need to switch the bathroom light on. If...