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@Joan Crawford, very! Thanks for confirming that Chalder uses CF and CFS interchangeably.

@Joan Crawford, thanks for the write up, depressing as it is. Noting the webcast advert refers to chronic fatigue, may I ask in this webinar does Chalder refer to chronic fatigue or chronic fatigue syndrome? Thank you. Today I have put up elsewhere on this forum Goodelf’s further two blog posts...

As far as I am aware Dr Clare Gerada, Wessley’s wife, said she felt v ill for the few days she had it but recovered quite quickly. I would not be surprised this will confirm to her that people can easily get better after viral illness and those of us who don’t have some psychological factor...

Goodelf has now written two further excellent follow up blogs to the one I shared on here, again they are very well researched. As Goodelf writes in the opening of their 2nd blog, the blog posts cover: ‘how one paper documenting a study by Nimnuan, Hotopf and Wessely has been extensively used to...

I hear you we need more science to be able to categorise groups better. However, I am aware there are a group of patients who can experience post viral fatigue after viruses such as influenza or mono/glandular fever for a few months or even up to a couple of years (Alex above mentions he knows...

Vitality 360 was set up by Jessica Bavinton a physiotherapist that was involved in the PACE trial. https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Bavinton

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I am asking if you believe PVFS is synonymous with ME?

I would agree we can’t assume anything at this stage. It is so early on after CoVid, it may turn out this suspected post CoVid patient group people may end up having health problems for a few months which will resolve, they may not. Equally I don’t think we can say we know some of these people...

@rvallee, may I ask do you recognise that there can be a post viral fatigue syndrome that can be long lasting, say even up to 2 years, but ultimately self limiting?

I share the concerns by Colleen Steckel on this issue - Edited to add, I see Colleen’s Facebook note has been put up on this thread already. I agree with Colleen the harmful narrative that could develop if it is assumed from the start post CoVid patients have ME and yet it turns out they are...

Sorry if this has been mentioned but I was also concerned to see Wessley’s comments in the New Scientist article the other week talking about a possible post CoVid illness. He refers to CFS as having “other factors contributing to longer term disability”. What other factors does he have in mind...

Someone has shared on Twitter this reddit post by a young person in the UK who is still having health problems a few weeks after getting CoVid. They share the doctor wants to refer them to a MUS clinic! Moderator note: This reddit post is being discussed here...

@NelliePledge, I understand. I hope this may help? Untangling the MUS Web: How badly have UK proponents of ‘Medically Unexplained Symptoms’ (MUS) misled the medical community? The person who wrote and researched this has no conflicts of interest other than their wish to ensure that all...

This is a very interesting write up in the link below and worth taking time to read if able. Medical Unexplained Symptoms (MUS) proponents - Wesseley and Sharpe two of them - have 'sold' their MUS strategy to doctors, healthcare workers, policy makers and commissioners by telling them that the...

Done :)

I was intrigued and so went and listened to it, agree as despite her faux agonising her message was clear.

Mind boggles! Sounds like she is on the brink of advocating for an authoritarian state.

I agree it’s an article to push his book, but what concerns me is that this MUS/FND paradigm has a lot of support in the NHS.

I would agree. People have warned that the NHS have been preparing to push MUS/FND backed up by their IAPT programme being rolled out across the country.

Duh, thank you. Brain fog. Sorry my mistake the correct name is Anthony David (Professor).