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I don't disagree with your points, but I don't think that is the case with this particular study. There seems to be an ongoing discussion of could to much exercice actually be bad for your health:

And meanwhile - that belife, that there is no such thing as to much exercise, has caused an increase in people landing themselfs in hospital with exercise induced rhabdomyolysis: https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20180222/exercising-yourself-to-death-the-risk-of-rhabdo I know they...

I don't know, just came about him in some twitter-thread about the review withdraw. He seemes to be informed about ME? @NelliePledge made this observation earlier in this thread :)

......?? :confused: :rofl:

I'm finding it kind of funny, that once again the bps-crowd actually ends up helping us, I think, when they didn't intend to do so. As the review actually isn't withdrawn yet, but trough their own actions they've drawn everyones attention to it, and that there may be problems with the evidence...

Yes, and we must not forget there are already psychologist involved and doing good things as well, they're not all bad. From top of my head: Caroline E. Wilshire (first editor on the pace re-analysis), James Coyne, Brian Hughes, Leonard Jason (must have a decade of research?) Maybe others...

Yay! :thumbup: and thank you :) Very much agree with here suggested area for research would be good, and as I understand this comes from twitter-dialog with patients after the Clara Geralds post on Cochrane withdraw? So maybe something good might come from it after all? :) Hope she finds here...

Someone better at twitter/english might like to invite her over here?

Oh, yes I ment to add that, and forgot.... The links are 'hiddin' in the table under version history - not everytime I notice there are links there.... :-P

Would that be the "History" choice in the right hand side menue? :)

I could access it and just downloaded the whole paper. There seems to be different levels of access, based on (among other things) country and wether each nation have a "national provision", Norway and UK amongst them: There are more, different ways to access, tables in the link. (sorry...

I laughed out loud :rofl: and I note there are also people speaking out, that are not ME-patientes

Welcome :) Don't have the brains to go into the finer details (cognitive symptoms) - but this bit stands out to me. That can't be right, would be only 18.7% ? How is childhood defined? If it's up to 18 year olds, that number should be much higher, as sexual harassment unfortunally is very...

After the daily dose of making patients the villain in the story - it was really nice and uplifting to hear Dr. Zaher Nahle underline the importance of Unrest and patient advocacy in the US to start turning the situation around :) Direct link to his talk, on the first day - since that had...

Copied my comment from the Cochrane-thread to this one as well :) ---- Listening to Katarina Lien from today conference in Sweden - she is up to date on things! Mentioned the (temporarily) withdrawn cochrane review :thumbup: She was also very clear on what she hears from and sees in patients...

Listening to Katarina Lien from todays conference in Sweden - she is up to date on things! Mentioned the (temporarily) withdrawn cochrane review :thumbup: She was also very clear on what she hears from and sees in patients don't match the story a certain research community tells. And she hopes...

Thank you @mango :thumbup:

I'm not so sure it's working out for them this time though. The deep trust people have in Cochrane, that they before could hide behind - might now be working to their disadvantage. People still trust Cochrane to focus on the science. So it's more obvious that it's a smear campaigne, and easier...

Also, back to the Reuters article, Kelland seemes to have forgotten to mention the review of traditional chinese herbs for treating cfs that was retracted a day or two ago? Didn't fit her narrative of "pesky patients activists"...