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In the name of all that is holy..... This person is dumb. Really dumb. Frankly the ignorance seems proactive. Proactive ignorance. It's giving me a headache just thinking about how dumb someone can be. (Thank you for the link)

I don't want to divert the thread, but what does this mean?

I genuinely believe that a combination of 1) questionable intellectual capacity and 2) self preserving incentivisation/cartel behaviour across the BACME BPS cabal means these people are not going to absorb the points you raise. We rightly cannot receive comment from within NICE deliberations...

Is there anyone else on the NICE committee who uses S4ME whom one should tag for such things?

@adambeyoncelowe

Definitely.

Sorry, I was ambiguous. I meant that it is now increasingly possible (not definite or even clear how likely) that an insurer will rapidly pull back from pushing BPS rubbish or stop telling you to get exercise eventually. Some will still push you towards Vitality 360 or other quackery, or look...

"Vitality 360, we spin you right round, like a record player", until you're dizzy and throw up" :emoji_musical_score::emoji_musical_keyboard::emoji_microphone:

Hi there, vitality 360 are not part of the Pru, but contracted to them (unless the Pru did buy them, which I doubt for commercial reasons but haven't rechecked). Other insurers also contracted v360 too and some also mentioned them in their own press releases and marketing/comms to policy...

Apparently they have been dropped by some insurance companies that they had been contracted to. One can only assume that is both for commercial and legal reasons, due to both lack of efficacy and liability generation.

I love this

Amazingly fantabulous! Yet another testament to the power and relevance of individuals and communities, and their pivotal role of injecting evidence and insisting upon scientific rationale. Thank you.

Great thread

Intriguing, especially to see what remains post PRing once the dust settles.

This, so very much this, with some more of this on top. S4ME has a raison d'etre (my head hurts too much to find keyboard accents) Many thanks indeed for the direct reassurance. I also agree on all fronts, especially your statement about the wider role of this site, which I would...

I'm bailing out. I genuinely feel like I am losing a discussion that shouldn't even exist to be lost. I have been successfully distracted into submission... So I'll leave it at that. I am perturbed.

Definitely not. I'm not 'upset 'with the conversation - much more than people's feelings are at stake. You're making a comparison with people who are more emotionally attached to their opinion than reasoned evidence - a false equivalence. I'm worried about what is at stake and being undermined...

Agreed. But that's not the same as implying that there are no scientific principles, which is verging on what what many posts are implying. It's either happening by accident or on purpose, but it is happening. A scientific finding has a definable level/status of...

This.

This thread is worrying me profoundly - even more than it was. I am trying very hard to word that 'appropriately'. I'm worried enough to use energy that I don't have for some days now, going round in circles to make the same point in a myriad of ways in the hope that one sticks. I see it as...