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Yes I agree. Even if they didn't dare to criticize GET/CBT openly, there could have been a warning that ME/CFS patients do not tolerate standard exercise regimes, like the CDC do on their website. But overall, this seems like a very useful video and message.

Yes. Thanks for the discussion. It has been interesting and informative.

I admit that I know little about this, but I suspect that these were not neuroscientists studying elementary cognition in bees or ants, but neuroscientists disappointed because answers don't show up on their brain scans. Do these people really expect that answers about consciousness will somehow...

I wouldn't worry about that too much. We don't fully know how simple computation works in our brain. So it seems like a bit soon to say consciousness is a mystery or something that physics can't explain. I think one can already study consciousness when and in which forms it manifests itself in...

So it seems like we're both pleading for simplicity. In my view, consciousness is a bodily function of animals that was formed by evolutionary processes, much like noses, insulin production or memory, so nothing special. In your view, it seems to be a primordial force of nature and rocks were...

My arguments against panpsychist philosophy haven't got much to do with evidence. It's mostly about the complexity and extravagant claims it makes, without offering anything of insight in return. You seem to mostly make the argument that it is possible, that it hasn't been ruled out, without...

There's a lot to say about that trial by Prins et al. 2001. 1) There was an enormous drop-out rate (28-41%, depending on how you define it). From the 93 who were randomized to CBT, only 55 completed the trial. 2) Objective outcomes such as neuropsychological testing and actigraphy were only...

Just to be clear: does that mean you think consciousness is unrelated to having a brain? That the computer I write on has consciousness and the plants I see outside have consciousness? If one rock bumps into another, is it "conscious" of that interaction? To be honest that doesn't sound like...

Interesting. I think I mostly disagree with your broad definition of consciousness. It seems to me like you're talking about complex information processes in general. I wonder if you would say that (modern day) computers and plants also have consciousness. Or chemical substances when they...

Sounds like a recycling of Berkely's subjective idealism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_idealism

Didn't know that. Here's my short take on the whole consciousness-question. I think Descartes' philosophy is the most intuitive way to look at it, namely that there is a coherent identity, a soul, that experiences things and although it is able to influence physical matter, it is composed of...

My argument was that such statements can be said about just about anything, so I don't think that they are of much use in figuring out how we experience emotions. Our brain doesn't need the input of an actual bicycle to see one. Our dreams show that just about anything of our experience doesn't...

I don't see it either. At one point the paper claims: But that seems unlikely since they followed up from 1991 (The Fukuda criteria weren't published three years later). Also the paper claims that the mean duration of illness prior to being diagnosed ranges from 4 months to 7 years. But the...

Don't know how relevant this is. I thought the question was when and why does the brain creates which illusions. Would be suprised if interoception did not play an important role in this.

Thanks for the kind offer, but I think that's not necessary (the essay was written almost a year ago). Think this thread is more useful as a reference for anyone looking for criticism of CS in ME/CFS, cause you don't find much of that in scientific articles.

Aren't there experiments that show that if you inject people with adrenaline, they interpret things differently, for example, they find a research assistant more attractive or annoying. That suggests bodily sensations of excitement are interpreted as love or anger. I think it's likely that a...

There is this famous study by David Bell who followed up on the adolescents who got sick in the Lyndonville outbreak. More than a third considered themselves recovered after 13 years. They had improved, but when Bell dug deeper, he found that they still had significant health problems: "Some...

The authors do not give a precise definition of recovery. It seems like they simply asked patients, and because the clinicians and parents sort of made the same conclusion and school attendance increased, this was deemed reliable. They say they had regular feedback concerning management and...

Some background: this is not Peter Rowe from John Hopkins but Kathy Rowe from Australia. She is currently on the NHMRC committee. In my comment on the NHMRC draft report, I criticized the following sentence about adolescents with ME/CFS: "By 5 years, 60% reported recovery and by 12 years 88%...

This seems to be the most important sentence in this paper: