Yes this summary includes my opinion of it (for example that a SF-36 physical function lower than 60 is pretty bad) and I focused on things that could be interesting for foreigners following the debate from afar. The report gives readers the impression that the results were good (modest, but...
Sorry for the long delay. Here’s a short summary of the Belgian assessment report.
Part I
The first 60 pages give an overview of international developments and there are a lot of good things mentioned. The report says ME/CFS is a serious condition (can be more disabling than MS), recognized...
Wasn't this a problem of the database and ICD-codes rather than of the diagnosis itself? Could be that doctors used these symptoms to make the diagnosis but that this was not recored in the data.
Good point. This is weird. Could doctors be using the PVFS code for old people not recovering from...
One problem with these online surveys is that the diagnosis is not checked by a specialist. It is possible that some of the participants had been diagnosed (for example by their GP) as having ME/CFS while they have a different but yet unrecognized illness. I wonder if we should see such studies...
I see your point but maybe the authors of the survey intended it this way so that GET/CBT proponents cannot criticize the definition and argue that what they apply is actually different or an updated version.
I think there is a danger that NICE will only acknowledge the most controversial...
I see it differently. I think the review has allready taken place. It was concluded that new guidelines needed to be written to reflect recent developments. Correct me if I'm wrong but the assignment of the committee members is not to look at the 2007 guideline and see if it needs any changes...
I’ll probably get criticized for being naïve in posting this. It’s not that I don’t see many problems or how far we actually are from understanding and treating this disease. Just thought it was worthwhile to zoom out for a moment and reflect on how things are going.
Yesterday the Belgium assessment report from the ME/CFS centre in Leuven came out.
There are a lot of bad things in this report. CBT was for example said to be successful when the improvements were probably no larger than natural progression of the disease (discussion of the report here). But...
The full assessment report about the ME/CVS center in Leuven is now available online (In Dutch only, no English summary): https://www.riziv.fgov.be/SiteCollectionDocuments/eindverslag_MDCCVS_RIZIV_2018_final.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3_5BzZ8LbIbgMnNRacaNqviRf9eP1D67XeTIbiV2yavQYOhx-HEiwSwr4
My first...
Didn't the fact that they looked at codes with continuous enrollment from 2 to 4 years partially solve that problem of PVFS cases resolving in a short timespan, or am I misinterpreting this?
You also have to compare it to what we currently had as estimates. You can have Fukuda CFS and recover...
Yes, I was making the argument with the NICE guidelines in mind.
I think we should not ask for better informed GPs with the idea that they could make the diagnosis. I think internists should be educated about ME/CFS and local ME/CFS centres should be formed where the diagnosis can be made. NICE...
Yes. I basically ignored the results of ME + CFS diagnoses because of the problems with the ICD-CM codes for CFS and I focused on ME-results only, for the reasons you mention.
As you explained the ME in this paper is not ICC-defined ME but something else. Nonetheless I think it’s a relatively...
Sad that there are ME/CFS centres without someone who can make the diagnosis of ME/CFS. On twitter I heard from Sasha that the same was true in Australia.
I agree that a well informed GP would be helpful, but don't see it as a realistic goal to expect from them to make a complex diagnosis like...
This is an important paper, with lots of data. I tried to tweet a summary of it:
1) An important paper on ME/CFS was published today. The authors looked at a large medical insurance database of 50 million people. This gave insight into enormous data about ME/CFS.
The paper is open access and...
True. Guess I just wanted to make the point and saw this as an occasion to do so. I think I have seen the ME Association claim that GPs should be informed to make an accurate diagnosis of ME/CFS, so I wanted to make this argument to them.
What about the CFS-centres? Even if they are...
I don't think GPs should be making the diagnosis of ME/CFS, so I went for "An understanding of the impact of symptoms and awareness of pharmacological symptom management"
EDIT: The ME Association page says : "If you have any additional feedback then please send it to Russell Fleming via email...
Hilda Bastian is a well respected skeptic who has a blog on Plos One about science and research methodology. Would be great if she got involved as well.
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