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Concerns about Cochrane

Discussion in 'Other health news and research' started by Kalliope, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. inox

    inox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://therealrthorat.video.blog/2018/10/24/authoritarianism-at-cochrane/
     
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    inox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Forgot to add, that whole blogpost is worth a read for those concered about the inner workings and governance of cochrane.

    Includes analysis of several of the remaing boards statements, and how they are misleading about what the rules they cite really are ment to be about etc.
     
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    That's a good talk (but I didn't listen to everything yet). I have respect for Gøtzsche.
     
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    inox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you for the link @Sean :)
     
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  6. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  7. inox

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    Oh, the saga is not yet over....

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1059940087620870144


    https://translate.google.no/transla...gdom___Sundhed/article10989360.ece&edit-text=

    https://medwatch.dk/secure/Sygdom___Sundhed/article10989360.ece (danish source - paywall, but the preview have the cited quote)

    Petition letter in his support

    https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/11...tm_campaign=Feed:+ageofautism+(AGE+OF+AUTISM)

    The letter is penned by:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/letter-to-danish-minister-of-health-against
     
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    inox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    We're not the only ones with negative consequense from null-findings beeing reported as positive studies, hidden data and government recommandations based on bad advice :-(



    http://ijme.in/articles/the-crisis-...ed-medicine/?galley=html#.W-B0LGYKq-k.twitter
     
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  10. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    the BMJ Opinion
    Peter C Gøtzsche: Cochrane - no longer a Collaboration

    In my view, the Board and the CEO should resign. They should resign from their posts and call for independent elections to be held and respect the requests from 31 centre directors and many others for an independent investigation of the “process” against me. It’s the only way to restore this great organisation to what it once was.

    The ultimate excuse for ousting me from Cochrane was my “seriously bad behaviour.” If questioning our leadership, holding the drug industry to account and criticising bad science qualifies as “seriously bad behaviour,” then I am proud to own it.


     
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    inox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Mentions several things he tried to do/change from within during his time on the board, including this - important to us:


    And he has submitted a complaint to the Charity Commission.
     
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  12. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There is now a petition in support of Peter Gøtzsche:

    Letter to Danish Minister of Health against dismissal of Peter Gotzsche

    Initiators are:
    David Hammerstein former member of the Cochrane Governing Board and former Member of the European Parliament
    Tom Jefferson MD MRCGP FFPHM, Senior Associate Tutor, University of Oxford, Oxford OX2 6GG Member, Cochrane Collaboration

    The petition has 5,872 signatures by now
     
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    From november 9th, in "Sundhedspolitisk tidsskrift" - (journal for health politics) -
    Vaccine research: We need Gøtzsche


    https://sundhedspolitisktidsskrift.dk/nyheder/1486-vaccineforsker-vi-har-brug-for-gotzsche.html


    https://www.microsofttranslator.com...-vaccineforsker-vi-har-brug-for-gotzsche.html
     
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    Things seems to still be happening - another critique of the hvp-review is on it's way.

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1066306704554356737



    Not sure if this is posted in the thread already, but he wrote this opinion piece nov. 12th - about how cochrane reviews can both amplifie and hide biases, and even giving the industry a roadmap on how to pass the checks whle hiding what they don't want the spotlight on (guidlines for reviewers etc). Much of the same goes for "our own" cbt/get-industry :/

    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/11/12/tom-jefferson-cochrane-pharma-good-turn/
     
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    I hadn't seen that, and thought it was interesting. A few bits seemed relevant to us. I've been interested by the way that some PACE defenders have tried to use checklists as a way of avoiding critical thinking:

     
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    Tom Jefferson was, until recently, more controversial than Gøtzsche. People who say, hey, there is a lack of evidence for a popular drug or vaccine tend to be given certain labels...
     
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    I'm not sure what thread is most appropriate for this, but there's a new piece from Ioannidis on this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13058

    I think I agree with this point:

    I'm worried that Cochrane is currently in a weakened position that makes it more difficult to bring about the sort of changes that we want to see. IMO it's now much more politically difficult for them to go against Wessely and his allies than it was six months ago, and that could be why we saw them back-down over their plan to withdraw the Larun exercise review (this is just guesswork on my part):

    There was the recent post saying Cochrane was strengthening their COI policy:

     
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    Letter published today at BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine by Catherine Riva et al:
    Lessons learnt on transparency, scientific process and publication ethics. The short story of a long journey to get into the public domain unpublished data, methodological flaws and bias of the Cochrane HOP vaccines review

    Six years of missed opportunities for correcting basic issues have passed by. Now, recent events seem to confirm that we can hardly count on Cochrane anymore for a rigorous assessment of the evidence. Considering the methodological flaws and the review team’s COIs, we must accept that Cochrane’s conclusions on HPV vaccines are based on poor science and thus not relevant.

    Given that every attempt to make analyses and unpublished data public has failed, we have just uploaded all contents on Zenodo.9At least now, they are available to the public and to the scientific and medical community
     
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    That sounds pretty significant, as well as clarifying the Cochrane issues with ME are by no means unique. Unless Cochrane buck their ideas up pretty fast, their name is going to slide ignominiously and irretrievably into the gutter. And only themselves to blame.
     
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    Familiar problems here: outcome switching and post-hoc analysis.

    Ironically, seems like the feigned outrage at Cochrane's ultimatum, making it an unreliable dish rag according to the psychosomatic ideologues, was almost correct, just exactly the opposite way and for the wrong reasons.

    In a different time, you just know these people would be howling about the insanity of the germ theory of disease and how it's fatally wrong to argue the nonsense of tiny organisms causing disease when theories of the mind perfectly explain, as long as you don't actually require any objective evidence or ability to predict anything.

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1074036557030531077
     
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