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Trial By Error: More Science-as-Promotion from the GET Campaigners

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Sly Saint, Sep 15, 2021.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    David Tuller Sept 14 2021
    https://www.virology.ws/2021/09/14/...cience-as-promotion-from-the-get-campaigners/
     
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    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    :rofl: OH @dave30th you do make me laugh, you really do have such a wonderful turn of phrase, on top of that incisive mind :)

    Appreciative of you work, as ever.
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What are the terms for being nominated? It would seem fairly reasonable to put forward the effort of people pushing back against the churn of low-quality BPS research. It's a joint effort, but obviously you can't reduce research waste better than simply not ever funding research that we know is not only useless but had a massively negative impact. Something like a combination of David Tuller, Keith Geraghty, Brian Hugues and a few others who have raised concerns about obviously useless research, exposing the deep rot at the core of evidence-based medicine.

    I would fully expect it not to win but something that will look bad in hindsight. It's impossible to do better at reducing research waste then ending an entire factory line of garbage-quality research that serves no purpose, can effectively be shown to have actually wasted trillions by blocking genuine research. Because more than anything it's the cheap formula that is at fault, so even by only counting direct research funding we are talking about billions in research that isn't just useless, it was 100% useless years before it was even conceived.

    It probably wouldn't be accepted because the criteria are too arbitrary. It basically only counts standard research, precisely the kind that is at fault here.
     
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    Simbindi Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    An example that could be used is the NICE ME/CFS evidence review!

    I think the criteria could be met...

     
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    TiredSam Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh yes. We'd have to win on this criterion.
     
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    Scale up by scaling down! It's addition by subtraction. We could fit so many sports metaphors in this baby.

    But yeah this could be scaled up manyfold and barely get off the starting line. Decades of messes to clean up don't happen in a day.
     
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    Especially when those who created the mess are still in power and doing everything they can to prevent it being cleaned up. :grumpy:
     
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