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The Chrysalis Effect

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic theories and treatments discussions' started by Sly Saint, Dec 17, 2021.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    see
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/problematic-training-courses-please-add.1796/

    the research series based on the PACE trial has been removed.

    However, reading through more of their blurb, under the What is the current definition of ME/CFS (definition taken from patient.info) it says
    also of concern is this

    https://thechrysaliseffect.co.uk/recovery-programme/
     
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  2. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Looks suspiciously like a pile of bovine digestive waste, but in a pretty box with a bow on it.

    What many seem to not understand is;
    How impossible meditation can be for those with some types of cognitive impairment and,
    How little use flowers and tambourines are in real life day to day situations.
     
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  3. Lou B Lou

    Lou B Lou Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The Chrysalis Effect (also called 'Get your life back from ME') have been very concerning since they appeared in 2010. Originally created by Elaine Wilkins and Kelly Oldershaw, but now just Elaine Wilkins (Kelly Oldershaw is on record stating she is still sick, though not what she is sick with):

    NOT a Recommendation.

    2010:
    “When we found out a 31 year old died
    from M.E/CFS and we had beaten it &
    got our lives back, we knew we had to
    share how we did it with you”

    "We are now living proof you can get your life back and we are sharing our experience and knowledge through
    The Chrysalis Effect Supported Recovery Programme
    Our Mission is to Transform the Lives of Sufferers on a Global Scale,
    enabling them & their families to Get Their Lives Back!"
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100211214511/http://www.getyourlifebackfromme.com/



    NOT a Recommendation

    2012:
    Here's what you discover inside our Essentials Guide To Recovery:

    The Virus Theory and the No 1 challenge that may be keeping you STUCK in ill health (page 5)

    The importance of understanding of the 6 Phases of Recovery (page 7)

    The pre-dispositions toan exhaustive illness. What makes the scales tip and how to take
    back control of your Recovery today! (Page 12)

    Why the Holistic Approach is the only approach . . . discover the 8 Key Elements Essential
    to YOUR Recovery (page 13)

    The 4 big mistakes most people make that prolongs their illness (Page 15)

    How to kick-start your journey to health with ‘Top Tips from the Wheel’ written by those who have recovered from our unique online Chrysalis Effect Programme. (Page 20)

    Item Title
    What Next ? 7 Key Questions to get you started on your road to recovery today (Page 21)

    Item Title
    And much much more life-changing information . .
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120712235516/http://thechrysaliseffect.org/



    Wayback has a number of the Chrysalis Effect pages on record.


    A few pwme tried hard (from 2010) to curb the Chrysalis Effect's extravagant claims and to warn new and desperate patients that the commercial program used hard sell tactics and relied on testimonials from people who may or may not have ME.


     
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  4. JemPD

    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Gp training... ugh

    God forbid
     
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  5. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hopefully the NHS won't touch it with a 10-foot pole, since it sounds very unlikely to be any kind of a match with the NICE guidelines.
     
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    I wonder how one would approach a debate with the person behind this. The impression is that of a "pick your reality based on how the thought makes you feel" attitude towards problems, coupled with ignorance about ME/CFS.
     
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    One wonders what was the outcome of the meeting with a health minister. Whay wasthe "pitch"? Is it that easy to obtain such an audience?
     
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    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    sounds like a youtube ad. dangerous nonsense
     
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  9. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Health minister doesn't necessarily mean the secretary of state for health. It could just as well have been a brief conversation with some junior minister over coffee at some event or other. Had it been the secretary of state, they'd probably have mentioned it.

    The unnecessarily tautological head of long-term and chronic conditions probably receives nearly as many pitches every day as a writers' agent, with a comparable proportion of them written in green ink. I've no doubt they likewise keep a capacious round filing cabinet handy.
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    And pwME have had meetings with health ministers in many countries. Doesn't mean much. Remember the Canadian health minister pretending the government would take ME seriously 2 years ago? I certainly do. Doesn't mean anything. Hell you can have the director of the largest research institute in the world drop by and say words about doing more and it means nothing, at a conference literally titled, more or less, "doing more about this problem", and they still do nothing, even after it exploded, they just look the other way.

    Ministers meet people all the time. Remember when the Norwegian prime minister apologized and said things and then nothing happened? Yeah, ministers meet people all the time and they barely remember having met them by month's end.
     
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    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That kind of attitude is privilege speaking.
     
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  12. Tia

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    I think they've been saying that they've been 'working with the NHS' and 'setting up GP pilot schemes' for many years but nothing more substantial has emerged. When I read more about it a few years ago, my impression was that they've got a few random GPs who have expressed an interest but it's not necessarily any more than that (although they're certainly trying to make it sound more). However, Elaine does say on the website that she works as an 'NHS Trainer - coaching & mentoring for Health Professionals', what this role involves exactly I'm not sure. From what I can remember (it's been about 5 years since I looked into them) Elaine was previously a salesperson and has no medical qualifications other than in 'coaching'.

    On their website Elaine talks about her own 'recovery' but her wording seems to suggest that she was never actually diagnosed with ME/CFS but self-diagnosed (to confirm this I think I'd have pay £7.99 to read her book which I'm not about to do).

    I remember Elaine stood up at one of the after-show talks that Jen Brea did following Unrest and accused her of covering up the fact that it's possible to heal from ME. She was pretty angry about it and afterwards sent out an email to all their mailing list subscribers criticising Jen. Which reminds me, I'm still on their mailing list even though I've emailed them and asked to be removed so their GDPR is not great!
     
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    It’s been taken down now but -
     
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    This is really a pyramid scheme to recruit practitioners to retain patients through a monthly payment scheme and sell training courses.

    When they first started we were contacted by someone who knew Elaine Wilkins and Kelly Oldershaw and we were told that neither had ME and this was a ploy for income. Checks we made on them at the time revealed they met at “Mary Kay cosmetics” (who?) Research on Elaine Wilkins revealed various coaching positions, Kelly Oldershaw - “wealth management” and other various money making schemes so did seem viable they were hoping to make fast money from sick people. Feedback from Wilkins daughter called Kelly was found on their original website which has now been taken down as well as the defunct facebook page with fibromyalgia spelt incorrectly. Also Kelly Oldershaw’s work history didn’t make any sense.

    https://www.facebook.com/Get-Your-L...omyalgia-Thyroid-Adrenal-Issues-160649618290/

    https://www.facebook.com/ptcpage/

    Here is a dump of information. Some of the links may not be viable now but didn’t know about keeping webpages then.

    http://uk.linkedin.com/in/kellyoldershaw

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8156927.sussex-me-sufferers-launch-new-support-group/

    Independent coach and training professional

    Kelly Oldershaw
    Catalyst Learning and Development
    2006 – 2008 (2 years)
    Senior Director
    Mary Kay Cosmetics
    Privately Held; Myself Only; Professional Training & Coaching industry
    1998 – 2004 (6 years)
    Just found the other one's linked in. Elaine Wiklins claims she had ME for six years from 2000.


    THISISSUSSEX.CO.UK

    Kelly Oldershaw bounced back after 7 years in bed with ME

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/chrysalis-effect.11209

    Independent coach and training professional
    https://www.facebook.com/theheartoflivingmagically...
    Kelly has now moved away from ME it seems and into just general health issues
    Turned On Evolution


    http://www.getyourlifebackfromme.com/practitioners/guide/ceptoptions?fbclid=IwAR1doOl7E-aAnWM15WLa3b8FP8h9dyalxculgSmlTJ7_ltvHRPP4p3AFhrk

    Earn 40% Commission by referring your Clients to our Programme. Example - 4 new referrals each month - Earns you £383 a month £4596 a year - Knowing they are being supported at the same time

    How to retain customers;

    http://www.thechrysaliseffectpractitioners.com/wellbeingc...

    THECHRYSALISEFFECTPRACTITIONERS.COM


    wellbeingcoach - M.E, CFS, Fibromyalgia Supported Recovery Programme
    http://www.getyourlifebackfromme.com/.../guide/ceptoptions

    Earn 40% Commission by referring your Clients to our Programme. Example - 4 new referrals each month - Earns you £383 a month £4596 a year - Knowing they are being supported at the same time


    GETYOURLIFEBACKFROMME.COM
    Chrysalis Effect Practitioner Training Options - M.E, CFS, Fibromyalgia Supported Recovery Programme
    The Chrysalis Effect Practitoner Training enables you to become : - The ‘Go To Practitioner’ ensuring you will attract new clients, and build a reputation that will lead to increased referrals and therefore increase your income.

    • So What Does The Chrysalis Effect Practitioner Training Consist of?
      The 3 Day Comprehensive Training
      “Tailoring M.E Recovery A Practitioner’s Approach
      • Setting Boundaries
      • Working with the 6 Phases of Recovery
      • Real Life Case Studies
      • Understanding The M.E Mindset
      • Coaching Skills
      • Creating The Individual Recovery Plan
      • Become a Client Magnet Part 1 – “No Cost – Just Clients”
      “The Physical Recovery Journey”
      • Training by a Leading Nutritionist
      • Nutrition & Supplement
      • Checklists & Plans, IBS, Candida Etc
      • The Crucial Thyroid & Adrenal Link
      • Breathing, Meditation & Yoga
      • Strategic Alliances for Specialist Referral
      • Become a Client Magnet Part 2 “The Power of Niche”
      The Intuitive Challenge & Transformation Process
      • Understand the Process To Dissolve The Underlying
      Causes & Emotional Triggers Of Their Illness
      Allowing Changes To Be Made At A Cellular Level
      • Intuitive Challenge
      • Become a Client Magnet – Part 3 - The Balanced
      Business Model
      Coaching and The 6 Phases of Recovery
      As a result of the training you will have the
      tools to support your clients to gain clarity, awareness & take responsibilty for thier health. When you understand the 6 phases of recovery, you will also know where your speicalism fits in and have the tools to create a unique indivdual recovery programme for your clients. These skills will also increase your effectiveness with all your clients.
      Practitioner Training Manual
      You will receive this on day 1 of your 3 day training,
      and will give you a resource to refer back to when you need it along with support from us.
      Business Skills
      This will enable you to walk out after the 3 days with a plan of action for some simple, free and unique strategies to market yourself and, or your practice, to increase your client base & your income very quickly.
      We will breakthrough some of those limiting beleifs, that may be keeping you from the lifestyle you really want. We will share some strategies to create a FREEDOM TEAM! to enable you to focus on sharing your gift with your clients and doing what you love, instead of trying to do everything!!
      Specialist Yoga & Meditation
      For both learning & relaxation. This part of 3 days will allow you to experience a yoga session & meditation for yourself to relax as well as learn some techniques & the importance of this in the recovery journey for your clients.
      You will have the ability to Attract More Clients
      You will be Listed on Our Certified Chrysalis Effect Practitioner Directory for 1 Year And Endorsed By Us.
      This will allow the clints already on our programme to find you - therefore raising your profile and your income!
      Earn Ongoing Commissions
      Earn 40% Commission by referring your Clients to our Programme. Example - 4 new referrals each month - Earns you £383 a month £4596 a year - Knowing they are being supported at the same time
      Of course thats without all this....
      Beautiful Venue, Time to Learn, Relax & be surrounded by likeminded, positive people, all working together with a vision to make a big difference!
      Friday 8th July 9.00am registration 9.30 start - 5pm
      Finishes 5pm Sunday 10th July
      2 Nights Accommodation
      Lunch & Dinner on Friday
      Breakfast Lunch & Dinner Saturday
      Breakfast & Lunch on Sunday
      Refreshments during the day
      The Next Training Dates are: Friday 6th - Sunday 8th July 2012
      Hickstead Hotel - Sussex
      Hickstead Hotel
      Job's Lane
      Sayers Common,
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      RH17 5NZ
      01444 248 023
      Road
      From the M23/A23 take the A2300 to Burgess Hill, then take the first turning on the left. Turn first right and you will find the hotel on the left hand side. Brighton is only about 15 minutes away.
      Beware! Some SatNavs may direct you off the A2300 and then left again. This takes you down a dead-end road. Please take the turning first right as indicated above!
      Rail
      Burgess Hill station 5 minutes, Haywards Heath station 10 minutes
      Air
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      At the end of these 3 Days you will
      Understand and Apply the 6-Step Journey to ME Recovery with your clients, holding their hand to full recovery
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      This will enable you to offer 24/7 support to your clients. As they will have the online programme to work on from home. Inbetween visits with you, so they stay on track - therefore sticking with you through to recovery
      The sessions are delivered every 2 weeks with a touch base video in between, so you receive an email each week.
      Video (from us)
      Audio (Recovery Stories & Expert Interviews)
      Downloadable Content
      Exercises to work through (i.e Food Diary, Values & Beliefs)
      This will enable you to start building a better understanding of M.E, CFS and Fibromyalgia. Understanding the phases for example will enable you to get your client on track very quickly knowing were your specialism fits in and what steps to take next.
      You have you very own practitioner bolt on to each session where
      you can know excatly how to work with your client through that session
      Monthly Training & Support Webinars
      Come on an ask any questions that pop up from your online learning.
      Bring any case studies on and ask questions, get support
      Learn great tips on how to grow your business attract clients and be part
      of the growing community
      Be part of the Chrysalis Effect Practitioner Community on Facebook
      Ask us questions and get all the support you need.
      Connect with other practitioners to create your own networks and cross refer clients
      All of this for an incredible £1497 (valued at over £4986)
      Your Investment Options
      1 off £1497 + VAT
      £375 + VAT + 11 Months at £125 + VAT
      Thank you for joining our community and we cant wait to see you at this incredible 3 day business transforming workshop
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      And The Transformational Team
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      Copyright Get Your Life Back From Me All Rights Reserved.


    ASA Adjudication on The Chrysalis Effect Ltd
    https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-chrysalis-effect-ltd-a14-280250.html#.VmL2ss6YdmA

    Some registered company, now no longer in use.
    http://www.merecoveryassociation.or...upaeib3knnnhce_N1xZlVp21RQVNGXcIftY-f17ANSkyw

    http://ukcompanydb.com/company/0899...7E6QAIPfdG88qf0C6QEc7tqS_4rsxooAtRAxeji3AF9AM

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    She was sick from 17 for seven years so claims so she's 35 now so she was sick between 1997-2005 https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kellyoldershaw

    https://williamwhitecloud.com/About...Z_K8bGbPj72xme5iWTmYI69UAxgQYoE7jOVs4VdREFewk

    Kelly Oldershaw
    I looked successful from the outside and was empty on the inside. I was running my own company that was impacting a lot of people, I thought I was 'on purpose', making a big difference, using my gifts and talents and I had a vision of living an international lifestyle. Yet I was getting further and further away from my dreams, and after doing personal development for 10 years I was depressed, making myself ill, in debt and single - having never been in love or really had a relationship, and at 30 that is not good - something had to change - and fast!!
    Along came William Whitecloud's 'The Magicians Way' and the rest they say is history! I embarked on the adventure to my heart and discovering who I really was outside of the illusion I was living. Once I was trained in the alchemical tools of living intuitively and accessing my truth and my genius - I turned my whole world upside down and Natural Success started becoming a new way of life for me.
    I am now living in Cape Town, with my gorgeous South African soul mate Ed, and his adorable son. I drive around in a convertible taking in the most spectacular views in the world with mountains and oceans at every turn. I live in the most beautiful home, enjoying sunsets, dancing, tai chi, friends, and gorgeous sunshine. My ability to live my truth, and honour my body, mind and spirit each and every day is a profound gift.
    I am blessed to work with the most powerful creators within Natural Success International and get to fly to the UK supporting the business which allows me to spend time with my family and friends. My family are changing their lives due to the impact these teachings has had as I supported them in creating structures that allowed my dad to recover from a life threatening illness, and start creating a whole new life for themselves at retirement age.
    I get to experience the wilds of Africa on safari whilst supporting and taking my learnings of these profound teachings to another level of mastery. Im just finishing my first book that will launch this year.
     
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    Elaine Wilkins says in various places she had parasites and thyroid issues so no, she didn’t have ME.
     
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    Eyeroll “Staying ahead of Dr google” in other words they realise that their model is useless and patients don’t need an intermediary because we have forums to share free information, like this one! There is no need for patients to pay for “practitioners” to pay a third person, an unqualified third person for information they can find themselves.

    And Elaine Wilkins selling the childhood adversity scam of Esther Crawley -
     
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    And trying to dig into ACE’s

     
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