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SMC's Fiona Fox given honary degree by Bristol Uni. Crawley's mate Adam Finn provides funny intro

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS News' started by Esther12, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://www.bristol.ac.uk/graduation/honorary-degrees/honorary-graduates-2019/fiona-fox/

    That's pretty hilarious given Fox's role in Bristol's SMILE trial (and of course PACE, and the general smearing of CFS patients).

    Adam Finn was one of the organisers of the conference that decided Crawley should speak on "Defending Medical Science in the Post-Truth Era":

    https://www.s4me.info/threads/crawley-speaking-at-espid-sweden-2018.1753/
     
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    They are eroding the credibility of science.
     
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    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suppose that "Medial science" - science as portrayed in the media - is what she knows about . She seems to know damn all about medical science.
     
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    Sorry - had to go back and edit to destroy your joke. I'm so bad!
     
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    Reading that title made me feel gross.
     
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    You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
     
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    It's officially give awards to your mates season again!
     
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    "But some people woke up to the importance of improving the quality and accuracy of information reaching the public a long time ago – and one of them was Fiona Fox."

    Indeed she did, especially the importance of stifling it, where specific interests are concerned.
     
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  10. Barry

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    I think this is more than just ego, but social engineering calculation. The more establishment accolades and baubles they can accrue, the greater access it gives them to the people they seek to influence, and the greater supposed credibility with which to do it. It's all about cause and effect, and to hell with right/wrong, truth/untruth, etc.
     
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    Ugh, where's a finger-down-the-throat emoji when you need one? A non-scientist media person awarded an honorary science degree for being in with the in-crowd in a little echo chamber where everyone gives each other continual awards and accolades, while not giving a damn about science. Just.....ugh. :yuck:
     
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    Unfortunately I suspect that, from within their bubble, they sincerely believe that truth is on their side.
     
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    I think it's actually an "honorary" degree, but I also would have accepted an "ornery degree." :)
     
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    I'm not so sure.

    I'm speaking very generally below, and examples come to mind of people we all see in the news constantly. But I can say no more on that.

    There are people I've encountered who seem genuinely puzzled by the importance most people place on truth and honesty, like it is outside their ability to comprehend, at least in the sense most people define such things. I've come to the conclusion that is exactly it in some cases. Some seem to live by a prod-the-frog kind of doctrine; if I do this, then does it do that. Sometimes what they do aligns with truth and integrity, other times not, it's kind of incidental. Sometimes of course they will know that a particular prod will be more effective if it seems to align with truth etc, but my cynical view is that that is their only motivation for being 'honest'.
     
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    Or quality...

    Those professionals who think it is unimportant to critically read the method and results of a study, when you can just read the discussion and conclusion.
     
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    Absolutely. It can have the unfortunate effect of things not going as planned.
     
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    I am not well enough to go into it just now but she was part of a group of I think marxists, who went on to have the journal "spiked" Their goal was to get themselves into positions of influence.

    It is not about truth, it is about agenda.
     
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    They are awfully far on the right in terms of words and actions for being someone stating to be on the left.
     
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    Trotskyists, rather than Marxists - they founded the Revolutionary Communist Party. The irony is that Spiked is very much a right-Libertarian publication (funded by Charles Koch no less!), and could hardly get further away from communist and left-wing ideology.

    It certainly speaks to their utter lack of fixed principles and their follow-the-way-the-wind-blows opportunism.

    (Edited to add: this is definitely heading towards falling foul of the "no politics" rule, though :) )
     
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    Which is a characteristic of belief systems, not science. Real scientists know they could be wrong and moderate their claims to that effect, especially when lives are at stake, which is something they don't even understand. String theory has 100000x the evidence basis than any of this crap and the first thing a string theorist will say is that none of it is proven true, just has yet to be proven wrong.

    Feynman would beat these fools' heads with bongo drums.
     
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