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Pure psychobabble - IBS 'research' Trudie Chalder & others

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS Research' started by Sly Saint, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Positive and negative affect mediate the bidirectional relationship between emotional processing and symptom severity and impact in irritable bowel syndrome

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    Introduction
    Individuals with IBS report higher levels of psychological distress compared to healthy controls. Distress has been associated with emotional processing difficulties but studies have not explored how the relationship between distress and emotional processing affects IBS. There is little research on the role of positive affect (PA) in IBS."

    eta:http://www.jpsychores.com/article/S0022-3999(17)30919-4/fulltext


    No idea what they are trying to 'prove' here.
     
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  2. Andy

    Andy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It may not be worth much but do you have the link?
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think they are trying to prove that their wages are worth paying....

    ....and I reckon we all have our opinions on that!
     
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  5. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Can't and don't want to access the full paper. I can see it's crap from the abstract. Entirely based on the assumption that IBS is a psychosomatic condition, hence publication in that lurid pink journal.

    Here's how they summarise it:

    Had to look up 'positive affect'. Here's what my friend the internet told me:


    My translation of this paper:

    We think IBS is a psychosomatic condition, which is great because it provides more work for us, and we can mess with lots more people's heads and tell them if they think happy thoughts their IBS will improve, although it might be the IBS that's making them unhappy in the first place, we don't really know what we're talking about, but when did that ever stop us pontificating.
     
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    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Dunno about anyone else but.........
     
  7. Solstice

    Solstice Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Who doesn't enjoy a good bout of being stuffed up followed by a bout of pissing out your arse. For a lot of people that's just christmas i.e. the happiest time of the year.
     
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    Andy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Well, you do make it sound more appealing than it actually is.. ;)
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Or expanding their market?
     
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    Sue Established Member

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    My “ ibs” went into a brief remission after Xiafaxamin. It came back. After leaving my moldy house and possessions behind I no longer have “ ibs” . I had ibs for about 30 years. I think in my case it is sensitivity to my environment nothing to do with emotional issues which was rammed down my throat.
     
  11. Solstice

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    I should go into psychology, err marketing.
     
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    If we can just refer to all symptoms of any physical illness as psychological distress then all conditions are psychological and not physical.

    To these idiots the word symptom does not exist so it makes one wonder what they think of any presentation of any illness.

    Is throwing up from food poisoning "psychological distress"?
    Is shouting out when someones kicks you on the shin "psychological distress"?
    Is bleeding from a cut "psychological distress"?
    When a boxer gets knocked out by a punch to the head is that psychological distress"?

    Saying ouch to pain is "psychological distress" therefore the cause of the pain is saying ouch after the pain occurred.

    I really wonder if these idiots really understand the meaning of the word symptoms or they just pretend they dont.
     
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    My translation of the paper:

    Shit happens.
     
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  14. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    ......Eventually
     
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    All this babble und bubble is so annyoing...I really do hope that someday their card house breaks down.
     
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    Preferably before they reach retirement age so they can be SACKED and have to fight their way through the convoluted UK benefits system! :emoji_imp: :emoji_japanese_goblin: :emoji_japanese_ogre: :emoji_smiling_imp: :emoji_rage:

    Plus sued as well for telling porkie pies about sick people. :emoji_skull: :emoji_ghost: :emoji_scream:
     
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    I'm not sure of the protocols here but I didn't want to start a new thread with this because it's just more of the same faulty thinking approach - and it might have already been posted, although I can't see it anywhere. It is a report from the World Congress of Gastroenterology, October 2017.

    The new twist is that "four 1-hour sessions of internet-based, self-administered therapy" seem to work better for IBS than "10 sessions of standard psychiatrist- or psychologist-led therapy, or four sessions of education only ... These findings — which received an American College of Gastroenterology Governors Award for Excellence in Clinical Research — suggest that home-based treatments could be used to relieve chronic constipation, diarrhea, bloating, gas, and other IBS symptoms in more patients without increasing clinician time or the use of healthcare resources."

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...&uac=69945CY&spon=17&impID=1540949&faf=1#vp_1
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @oldtimer

    I struggled to read your link because it just struck me as being psychobabble of the highest order (as you suggested).

    But one thing did come across to me.

    The less the patients saw therapists the happier they were. Now that I can really believe!
     
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    oldtimer Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    :laugh::laugh:
    Your sleep problems don't affect your wit!
     

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