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Prof. Sir Simon Wessely The Life Scientific, BBC Radio 4 14 Feb 2017

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Sly Saint, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Skycloud

    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Such a shame. He might have been a good historian.
     
  2. Solstice

    Solstice Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Dunno, he might have made a lot of shit up in that respect too.
     
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  3. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    From 2011 BBC News interview with Wessely re death threats and then with Charles Shepherd who explains patients anger.
     
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  4. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    When it comes to ME, and stuff he's said in the past, I think he's already wanting to mess with history anyway.
     
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    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Letter from Countess Mar to Professor Simon Wessely 4th December 2012
     
  6. Keela Too

    Keela Too Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Why is he so protected? Who is behind protecting him? Why do no complaints stick?
    Perhaps all that psychosocial crowd made of Teflon!! :(
     
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  7. Inara

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    Probably the Queen? Just a wild guess...
    Her husband Philip is said to have said somewhere in the past that if he should be reborn after death he hopes to return as a virus that will decimate humanity. It's not a new concept that royals&co view themselves as (genetically and morally) better (although all the incest practices lead to worse DNA, but never mind), and it's also common knowledge that sick people aren't very popular.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I hate to defend the Royal Family, but some people have taken this quote out of context:

     
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  10. Inara

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    Sorry @Esther12, that doesn't sound better. And I see I remembered the context correctly. Thanks for posting the entire quote.

    Edit: Difficult topic... :)
     
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  11. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Okay. I've just seen some people on 'conspiracy' style websites misunderstand it out of context, and not realise it was meant to be a funny thing to say.
     
  12. Snowdrop

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    Not sure there is a who but a what. I think that institutions that benefit from his perspective will rally round. Institutions are made of individuals of course but they act as a united collective when threatened and when their livelihood is threatened then they respond with a collective institutional response. Maybe. Open to other thoughts.
     
  13. Sean

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    Wessely has made very sure over the decades that his 'advice' is in tune with the contemporary political zeitgeist*, and indispensable to the political and economic establishments. They are all now locked together in a mutual protection racket. If they dump him, they have to face some serious music themselves over their support and use of him and his advice.

    The reason PACE and the BPS crowd are so protected is because they are too important to be allowed to fail.

    (* Don't fall for his guff about how he bravely challenged the mainstream view on ME, blah blah blah. It's bollocks. His views have always been mainstream psych, and strongly in harmony with at least a large chunk of the establishment. He challenged nothing and nobody with serious power. Just falsely portrayed himself as doing so.)
     
  14. chrisb

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    I know that I will be regarded as a conspiracy theorist but I think there is a whole layer behind this that we have never got close to understanding.

    When I first read the report on the Oxford conference I somewhat naively thought that Clare chaired the meeting as a known media expert with the relevant skills. But then you see that Gelder (there is a name to make Wessely's eyes water -you can just see how the stories of threats arise-wife calls up the stairs "Sir Simon", they are an informal family, "there's someone calling himself Gelder on the phone for you.") provided funding and Sharpe got to write it all up. Maudsley and Oxford-there is a clear sharing of responsibility. Exactly the two places you would go to to sort out a problem-or create a different one.

    It has always seemed to me that there must have been heads of department steering and overseeing matters, but they managed to keep their fingerprints off everything. Its very strange. I always thought that senior academics fought to get their names on papers to which they had the most tenuous connection. Not in this case.

    All right. Call me a conspiracy theorist.
     
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    @chrisb, I don't understand the details (since I seem to lack the needed knowledge). As you know, I'm also a conspiracist. :D
     

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