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Prof. Sir Simon Wessely The Life Scientific, BBC Radio 4 14 Feb 2017

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Sly Saint, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Valentijn

    Valentijn Not a moderator

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    If it isn't academic fraud, it should be. They have deliberately changed, inflated, and spun outcomes to make a null result look like a positive result.

    They have repeatedly advertised PACE as having a positive outcome to encourage the use of therapies that their data actually showed to be ineffective. This has a financial impact upon the NHS, it has a negative impact on patients, and it was done to boost their own reputations and funding.

    Unfortunately this sort of behavior seems to widely tolerated in academia. Research isn't about patients or science - it's about the researchers, their careers, and the reputations of their institutions. Patients aren't the customer - we're the product which is being sold.
     
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  2. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Sadly this is too much the case. Psychiatry, patients, and medicine in general, are ill served by this. However this is not entirely due to researcher misconduct, as the career, publishing and reward systems are geared to reinforcing this behaviour. Oh dear, sounds like something that can be treated with CBT, doesn't it?
     
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  3. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    See also the 3 sets of null actometer results previously collected in other similar studies, that failed to be reported at all in their original study publications, and were kept out of sight until Wiborg et al, in Aug 2010.


    Note that Wiborg (Aug 2010) was published some time before the main PACE paper (Feb 2011), so the PACE authors would have known of this consistent null result before they published.
     
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  4. petrichor

    petrichor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    When scientists can't get acceptance of their views amongst people within their own speciality, they often take their views to the public sphere, where they know other scientists can't as effectively rebut what they are saying, and where their views can appear to have more legitimacy. This is a common phenomenon, and I think this is the case with Wessely. Very few researchers that specialise in ME actually think it is anywhere near as psychosocial as he thinks it is, so he keeps on taking his views to the public, where he can get support. Scientists that actually have support within their specialty don't need to keep on unnecessarily going on about their personal views to the media.
     
  5. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    When was the PACE outcome switching actually done?
     
  6. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Good question.

    Also, the PACE authors probably knew of the Wiborg results some time before they were formally published.
     
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  7. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Exactly!
     
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  8. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "Sir Simon Wessely lecture
    Tuesday 27th February, 17:30-18:45 2018 Newcastle University

    The former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, knighted for services to psychological medicine and military health, is the first psychiatrist to become president of the Royal Society of Medicine. In this lecture he reflects on over-reporting and under-resourcing: whether over-awareness of mental ill health will sink an under-resourced service."

    Oh the irony:
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    http://www.voicenorth.org/opportuni...gel-jacobson-lecture-insights-public-lecture/
     
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  9. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I wonder if he is going to say more along the following lines ...

    https://www.mentalhealthtoday.co.uk/psychiatrist-calls-for-rethink
    Sir Simon doubtless sees suppressing public awareness of illness realities as part of his mission to save the country money :rolleyes:.

    Edit: Brushes and carpets come to mind.
     
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  10. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So it seems. Having had to nurse my wife with mental illness for six months I can only conclude that Wessely has no interest in ill people, only in himself. He reminds me a bit of Marie Antoinette in fact.

    He also reminds me a bit of Lord Winston who very nearly made damn sure my wife and I had no children by vilifying Patrick Steptoe. Fortunately my wife and Dr Steptoe denied him the pleasure.
     
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  11. Barry

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    A means to an end basically - knighthoods etc.
     
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    I'm sure Wessely is a "very stable genius".
     
  13. Sean

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    Winston's defence of Wessely et al in the house of Lords' debate a while back was just a straight reading from the notes the Wesselyites gave him, right down to the same words and phrasing. He had clearly not done a shred of proper due diligence, and instead had merely reflexively defended the establishment line.

    Winston is a reliable establishment hack.
     
  14. ladycatlover

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    Yes, I remember watching that debate and yelling and screaming at the TV. Really don't understand how I managed to restrain myself from chucking it out the window! ;)
     
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    The irony.

    I know a way to cut ¼ million people from the service demand at a stroke. Oh wait, if we also take out all the GWI people, and the MUS people and...

    Why on earth try to hang on to people who have been mis-categorised, when there is real, unmet need for people who do have mental health issues?
     
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    Their aim is not to help people, it's to "reduce the burden on society". They're really not achieving their goal with people with mental health issues. People with ME/CFS however they obviously believe they can achieve better results (for themselves).
     
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    This question has been asked many times. I think it is political. My guess is they want unmet need, and complain about it at the same time, as they can then lobby for more services.
     
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    I know someone who was once a business exec who is crippled by this particular symptom ... it makes things very hard for her.
     
  19. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If you can bear to listen:

    "As part of Radio 3's Why Music? The Key to Memory weekend, Michael Berkeley talks to the psychiatrist Sir Simon Wessely. Professor Sir Simon Wessely is one of our most eminent psychiatrists: until recently the President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, he is the current president of the Royal Society of Medicine, and Regis Chair of Psychiatry at King's College London.

    An interest in unexplained symptoms and syndromes has led to many years of research in areas such as Chronic Fatigue and Gulf War Syndrome.

    Simon talks to Michael about the powerful relationship between music and memory, his decision to study medicine rather than history, and how playing the flute once got him out of a tricky situation at Tel Aviv airport. He chooses violin music by Brahms and Dvorak for his parents, shares his love of opera with music by Puccini and Mozart, and tells Michael about his other passion - musical theatre."

    https://player.fm/series/private-passions-1301177/sir-simon-wessely
     
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  20. Trish

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    Well, I'm glad to hear he's only been researching Chronic Fatigue. Quite an unpleasant symptom. I'm glad no-one let him loose on a real illness like ME/CFS. Just think of the harm he could have done.:rolleyes:

    Thanks for the information, but no, I won't be listening.
     
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