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Piezogenic papules in Ehlers-Danlos and ME/CFS?

Discussion in 'General and other signs and symptoms' started by Hoopoe, Jul 24, 2019.

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    Hoopoe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hoopoe, Jul 24, 2019
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    Yeah, me too.
     
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    Apparently they are very common and usually painless and not a problem.
    Most prevalence figures I've seen on a quick search suggest more than half the population have them.

    https://www.dermatologyadvisor.com/...genic-pedal-papules-piezogenic-wrist-papules/
     
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    Many patients on that twitter thread are saying they have these as well. Do we all have EDS or is that just a nonspecific sign?

    Edit: Trish was faster.
     
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    Why don’t people check out the general prevalence before including something in criteria it seems such a waste of time.
     
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    I just checked - yes, I have some nice ones.

    I am pretty sure these are entirely normal. (I hope so.)
     
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    It may be significant that in the Peter Rowe paper that seems to have raised this hare about EDS in the first place piezogenic papules were about the only thing apart from hypermobility that made it look as if the patients had anything specific. If piezogenic papules occur in most of us then that looks pretty unhelpful.
     
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