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Medicine Journal : Chronic fatigue syndrome - Stephen Perry 2020

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Sly Saint, Nov 24, 2020.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://www.medicinejournal.co.uk/article/S1357-3039(20)30229-2/pdf

    https://scihubtw.tw/10.1016/j.mpmed.2020.09.007

    Psychiatric aspects of general medicine| Volume 48, ISSUE 12, P765-768, December 01, 2020

    fish and chips paper.
     
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  2. Cheshire

    Cheshire Moderator Staff Member

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    What an ideal time to publish this paper... :rofl:
     
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  3. Sean

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    :emoji_musical_score: Just got those bad timing blues :emoji_microphone: :emoji_saxophone:
     
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  4. Barry

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    My bold :).
     
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  5. Peter Trewhitt

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    Blood letting was probably recommended at one time by the Royal College of Physicians here in the UK, but given both NIH in the US, and imminently NICE in the UK in their new guidelines, are no longer supporting GET and CBT as treatments for ME it would be as reasonable to publish an article in 2020 recommending blood letting for ME.

    It does not inspire confidence that so called experts are so out of touch or are being deliberately disingenuous.
     
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  6. Barry

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    Given the never ending stream of such papers that seem to be emitting from these BPS folk for ME/CFS, presumably there will be ones still in the pipeline even after next April.
     
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  7. rvallee

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    What is the purpose of this ignorant garbage? I mean seriously what is gained by someone fully ignorant of the whole thing deciding to put their ignorance down? It doesn't add any useful knowledge, doesn't contribute anything at all. Many journalists actually manage to do better at summarizing the current state of knowledge.

    Isn't publishing research about contributing to knowledge? This is just a cheap mish-mash of old ignorant stuff. What does it even pretend to add? Or was it just an easy paper knowing that nobody actually checks the substance on this topic and thus people can just write whatever they want and call it a published paper for their resume.

    Seriously a high school student can do better than this. Not your average high school student but that is still the level of competence required to do better than this pointless jumble of mostly random bits.
     
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    From the paper:

    The author would like to thank Dr Alastair Santhouse for his contribution to the previously published version of the article.

    So there is a previous iteration of this. Personally, on the face of it, it seems like someone called in a favour of support for BPS.
     
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  9. Trish

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    I can't access the full article.
    Interesting to see how limited and out of date the full list of references is:
    And the author:
    I think he's likely to be well known to Wessely, given Wessely's key role in military psychiatry.
     
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  10. Perrier

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    Yes, RVallee, "people can just write whatever they want and call it a published paper for their resume." We have all seen this in all the colleges and universities everywhere, and there is an awful lot of it in the ME area. In the meantime, folks are desperately sick, desperately in need of help, and this garbage is churned out.
    Has there been any encouraging news in the ME area lately??? I can't think of anything except Alain Moreau's paper, which is really elegant and really well done, and shows he is truly thinking things out (but it's focus is diagnostics and not yet helping to relieve the suffering--I hope he comes up with something soon.)
     
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  11. Barry

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    The draft NICE guideline.
     
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  12. Perrier

    Perrier Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    oops....:)))
     
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  13. Mike Dean

    Mike Dean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Perry's article appears in a section called
    PSYCHIATRIC ASPECTS OF GENERAL MEDICINE

    A companion article:
    Functional disorders and ‘medically unexplained physical symptoms’

    https://www.medicinejournal.co.uk/article/S1357-3039(20)30228-0/fulltext
    https://sci-hub.ee/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.mpmed.2020.09.006

    The journal claims:
    Elsevier’s Medicine is a continually updated, evidence-based learning resource for trainees. It is an essential tool to help trainees achieve their postgraduate medical qualification, wherever you are in the world. It provides a concise overview of the latest medical knowledge and practice based upon the UK Core Medical Training curriculum, with each article written by invited qualified experts. Given its comprehensive coverage of internal medicine, this resource is also an ideal companion for GPs and consultants in the acute medicine setting.​

    It would be interesting to know how long ago these "chapters" were commissioned.
     
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    Cue sarcastic laughter.
     
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    It is rather surprising that the author makes little attempt to cite evidence in support of his claims.
     
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  16. Barry

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    So why am I not feeling surprised ...
     
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  17. Forbin

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    Article was possibly uploaded with a 300 baud modem. :)

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    Why would evidence be necessary???
     
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  19. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wasn't there a time when it was considered customary? I forget.
     
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    I think you're remembering the Before Times.
     

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