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Fiona Fox and the Science Media Centre

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Simbindi, Feb 4, 2020.

  1. Simbindi

    Simbindi Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Fiona Fox is giving a 'public lecture' on 30th March 2020 in Bristol, on 'Science in the headlines and why scientists should engage with the media':

    https://arc-w.nihr.ac.uk/events/science-in-the-headlines-where-science-meets-controversy/

    Edit: I've added the link
     
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  2. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

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    No mention of the need for the information to be accurate...
     
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    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What "is" "science"?

    Apart from being a word. We can probably all agree on that.
     
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    large donner Guest

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    Science is pronouncements by the most powerful.
     
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    InfiniteRubix Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Heresy ;)
     
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    James Morris-Lent Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Comrades, what if I told you that filthy bourgeois media will reliably report your propaganda for you, because they are too lazy to change it and truth is irrelevant to their engagement metrics?
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Mainly posting this because Fox seems concerned that some scientists are being compared to climate deniers, even when the evidence that they're wrong is not clear. How divisive. There's some more creepy PR spin in there too.

    https://www.researchprofessionalnew...e-on-covid-19-but-don-t-demonise-other-views/


    Here's Fiona Fox's blog when she was upset about patients criticising the way the SMC promoted the SMILE trial:

    https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/inconvenient-truths/

    People will be familiar with other examples like this from the SMC campaign to dismiss concerns about PACE, etc.
     
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    Snow Leopard Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "Herd immunity" is not a scientific concept, it is a deliberate dumbing down of a scientific concept for a non-scientific audience.

    The real science is about network based effects - there is no magic threshold where the virus just disappears as it is heavily dependent on variables we cannot predict, like human behaviour.
     
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    It feels too early for there to be a ‘mainstream’ view of coronavirus versus a ‘maverick’ one.

    Poor Fox, thinking that good science is based on a mainstream view rather than a maverick one.
    It is based on a view that provides the right predictions rather than one that doesn't.

    It was not too early in February to see which was which.
    I hear echoes of Simon Wessely 'we should avoid saying I told you so'.
    It must be unsettling being a mouthpiece for an establishment that has screwed up so badly.
     
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    strategist Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Presumably she thinks her job is to manufacture consent for industry and government friendly views, not figure out who is right.
     
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    And as has been pointed out endlessly since: it has never been achieved without a vaccine or reliable control and prevention. Natural herd immunity through runaway infection is not a thing and has never been a thing.
     
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