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U.K. DWP "No-Brainer" Benefits Cases

Discussion in 'Work, Finances and Disability Insurance' started by MsUnderstood, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If only we were privy to the departmental discussions and advice that Peter Lilley received prior to hiring John Locascio, and the advice which he subsequently gave.
     
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  2. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I wonder if so much time has now passed that copies of things like that might start becoming more accessible under the FOIA? I can't believe that this has been going on for so long!
     
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    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That is rather what I was wondering, but I am not in a position to do anything about it.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    NelliePledge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    PIP appeals process inefficient use of funds is something the National Audit Office and the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee should be urgently investigating.

    Edited to add this is in addition to the Inquiry into PIP and ESA already underway
     
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    ladycatlover Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I read somewhere (very sorry, I can't remember where :oops: ) that it costs £7,000 for a Tribunal. That cost should be paid by the assessment company for every one that the claimant "wins". That way they might be more inclined to get it right first time!

    ATOS has changed its name. It's now Independent Assessment Services. :sick:
     
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  7. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'd prefer it if the cost was split between the assessor and the 2 DWP decision makers, (initial and mandatory reconsideration) personally, immediate deduction from their pay packets, for as long as it takes to pay it off. After all the cost is as a direct result of them not doing their jobs properly.
     
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    Scarecrow Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You can argue that staff shouldn't bow to pressure but personally, I'd rather see higher level managers, including those responsible for setting targets, to pay. If staff weren't pressurised to perform to targets either through a system of rewards or of sanctions, then they'd be more like to focus on doing their job responsibly.
     
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    Scarecrow Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Targets for selling financial services in the UK were abandoned years ago. Sales staff are now assessed on quality. Unfortunately targets still exist in other areas of financial services and where they are unrealistic, they lead to poor practice.

    If financial regulators recognise that they cause irresponsible selling, why are we so ready to accept targets on staff in industry and government?
     
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  10. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I am not, therefore "we" are not :p
     
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  11. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A part of me can't believe that's right... but then, I'm often surprised how much anything costs when it involves lawyers/drs/etc.

    Appeal everything!
     
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    ladycatlover Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Actually I'm surprised it's as cheap as £7000.

    Cost of copies of all evidence for DWP, 3 Tribunal Members, Claimant and (if they have one) Claimant's advocate. My full bundle was something like 240 pages I think. Any new evidence (I took colour prints of photos of ramp outside our caravan as the black and white stuff in photocopies didn't really show ramp clearly) that you take to Tribunal you have to take 6 copies. OK, that was my choice to take and I paid, but all the rest is distributed via Tribunal Service to everyone.

    Cost of court room, cost of the 3 Tribunal members. One of those Tribunal members is a Judge, another is a Medical Professional (a proper one, not the pretend ones used for assessments. A proper doctor.) and the third is either a disabled person or someone who is carer or who has close links to disability. So far as I know they all get paid, and so they should.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I have to admit that I've never actually tried to run a tribunal. It's possible my hunches on cost are not worth much.

    System seems extra crazy then. Some people seem to be going to a tribunal every couple of years over the tiny extra cost of ESA over unemployment. Is that £20 a week? They must just really hate sick people having that money.
     
  14. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    These days I am led to believe ESA pays the princely sum of £0.00 over JSA for new claims. And the conditionality is also getting much closer, from what I read.
     
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    Trish Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    ESA for those in the 'Work related activity group' which is where they are supposed to put you if you can't work at the moment, but are likely to be able to in future is, I understand, now the same amount as JSA (Job Seekers Allowance). ESA for the Support Group who are too ill or disabled to work is still higher than JSA.
     
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    In their 'medical health professionals' opinion. They stipulate on their report how long; from memory it's 6months, 1 year, 18 months.

    What they don't tell you (and will probably deny if you ask), is that you can be moved back into the support group from the WRAG and payments are resumed at the previous level. By this I am not talking about going to appeal, but by being re-assessed (ie going thro the process again).

    This is on the Citizens Advice Website:

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/b...ith-your-esa-claim/getting-your-esa-decision/

    "How long you get ESA for
    If you’re in the work-related activity group and get contribution-based ESA, you’ll only get it for up to a year. When you’re almost at the end of the year, you’ll be sent an ESA3 form to fill in to see if you can be moved onto income-related ESA instead. If your disability or illness gets worse and you would qualify for the support group, you can reclaim contributory ESA.

    If you’re in the support group or getting income-related ESA, your claim will be ongoing. Your ability to work will be re-assessed every 1, 2 or 3 years to make sure you’re still not fit to work."

    eta: I don't know anyone who has tested this but if you are put into the WRAG group you can ask for Supersession of your ESA on the grounds that your condition has deteriorated. It would mean filling out the ESA50 again and getting a letter from your doctor to say your condition has worsened (since the last assessment), and you would need to outline the support group criteria that you now meet. This might be an alternative to trying to appeal.

    I think the same might apply to PIP:
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    In the first instance the quickest way to get started is to ring and say you want to report a change of circumstances which means you want to claim for your condition getting worse.
    They will send the forms out.
    It is like making a new claim. You will need all the info and evidence to show your condition has got worse so you need the extra allowance."
     
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    The payment rates are out of date now on the citizen advice site. I guess you can go from support to work related at any point, and even though you may have been ill for years, still be classed as a new claimant and awarded the new measly rate of just £73.10 ? :arghh: :mad:

    https://www.gov.uk/employment-support-allowance/what-youll-get

     
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  18. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I do not know how people without a support network can be expected to survive in the UK if they fall ill.
     
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    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suspect this is the idea.
     
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    ArtStu Established Member

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    Just spotted this, am I correct in saying that if you are currently in the support group and at a reassessment are placed in the work related group you get the old rate of £102.15 ?

     

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