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Prof. Sir Simon Wessely The Life Scientific, BBC Radio 4 14 Feb 2017

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  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Jim Al-khalili’s subject in his ‘The Life Scientific’ programme on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday, February 14, was Professor Sir Simon Wessely.

    I thought given the new research into ME and Gulf War Illness this would be of interest.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dnr3g

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    Gulf War Syndrome. So what drew you to that in particular?

    Simon Wessely:

    Well it was that I’d trained in epidemiology. Along come these stories. Clinically they sound terribly similar to my patients but they were very, very different people, and it was also clear that the Ministry of Defence was making a dog’s breakfast of the research, well, they weren’t doing any, and what they really needed was an epidemiological approach. "

    "So we went to the Americans, got the money, and I came back and then started the studies and that was the beginning of it."

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    So what you’re saying is that, essentially, there was a high probability that people were frightened, that there was paranoia, and I guess almost like a contagion that, that can spread?

    Simon Wessely:

    Well certainly we know that knowing someone that had Gulf War Syndrome, was a risk factor for developing it"

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    Also, the other thing I like, is when we do our research, ... you find something but it’s years before it makes any impact.

    I mentioned Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It was years and years before we made any impact on policy."

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    Disgusting man.
     
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    Trish Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I listened to that talk. I was horrified. Not only at his summing up of ME and GWI as psychosomatic, but he was egged on by the interviewer to repeat his claims of harassment etc. Very biased interviewing. So much so that I wondered whether SW had written the questions as well as the answers.
     
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    I really hope that this false narrative about this man is thoroughly changed in his lifetime, while he can 'enjoy' it.
     
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    EzzieD Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    Ugh, someone pass the sick bag. :yuck:

    Did anyone else catch the irony, when discussing some traumatic aspects in his childhood:
    Hmm...

    In all, a lot of hot air from someone who clearly loves being the centre of attention. And playing victim.
    :emoji_zzz:

    +1000
     
  6. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    remind you of anyone else?:emoji_ant::emoji_bug:
     
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    "And because these patients were being seen there. I have to be honest, and say nobody really liked them."

    Nobody? Well, I guess that you have to be honest, don't you Simon?
     
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    Hmm...did the PACE trials discuss provider transference? I suppose we should be greatful that he gave us attention? This was a gutless interview. His legacy is doomed, enough said.
     
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    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    And still don't, thanks in no small part to your efforts.
     
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    Yes, do tell us Simon. What did you all manage to do?
    No, the jury's still out on that one.
    Well done for finally understanding what so many of your patients were telling you.
    So, you erroneously believed one thing and then disproved your theory. You know, Simon, you actually sound a bit like a scientist there.
    Well, we all get common viral infections, "things like EBV", don't we? [edit: oops, my bad]
    I've got to be honest with you, Simon. Your track record with this illness doesn't seem to be too impressive so far but tell us about your treatments. How did that work out for you? Better for you than the patients, I'll bet, eh? ;)
     
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    LOL - There was something on his website that made achieving nothing sound impressive too.
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It's the eternal art of the bullsh*tter.
     
  13. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Ha, this is as funny as:
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    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wessely is an el primo bullshitter, and a genius at spotting and exploiting the weaknesses in power structures and accountability mechanisms.

    It is extraordinary how far he has got on so little, and how many otherwise intelligent people have been sucked in. :(
     
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    I suppose the story of Gerd Postel is known? He was a postman who faked certificates and became a deputy in psychiatry, giving lots of expert opinions for court and doing talks before other experts of psychiatry. His cover blew because of his certificates, not because of his "lacking" knowledge. There was another actual case, a woman, who did the same and succeeded.

    You obviously need loads of "knowledge" in psychiatry.
     
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