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Melatonin

Discussion in 'Sleep Disturbance' started by Maria1, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @NelliePledge, this is a digression, but have you tried Sominex (which is phenergen, the antihistamine)? I have found it very effective. You can get it over the counter in the UK. My other half is over there at the moment, and always brings me back some. I'd start with a half tablet. A full one can leave you feeling dopey the next morning.

    I have also tried replacing amitriptyline with nortriptyline, and found the nortrip to be less effective than the ami for sleep. In general the tricyclics seem to be rather ineffective sleep aids, and being psychotropic drugs, I'm not sure they're worth the risk just for the tiny sleep benefit. I do worry about doctors' eagerness to ply us with psychotropic drugs - I don't think its because they work all that well for sleep. I think its because deep down, they think we are messed in the head and that's why we can't sleep.
     
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  2. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks @Woolie I will pick some up next time I'm in the pharmacy. I remember having anti histamine when I had chickenpox @28 and that definitely knocked me out
     
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  3. Trish

    Trish Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Woolie, I'm a bit puzzled by this. I've just looked up Sominex on Boots the Chemist online store and it describes it as a herbal sleep remedy containing hops, valerian and passion flower, which is a very well known herbal sleep remedy. (also found in other brands such as Kalms, which I use occasionally).

    Phenergan is listed as an antihistamine, described thus:

    ''Phenergan Tablets 25mg is an all-rounder allergy tablet that can be used for hayfever, improved sleep, pet allergies, nausea while travelling, and nettle rashes. It contains 25mg of the active ingredient, Promethazine Hydrochloride.''

    I wonder which one you mean?

    EDIT TO ADD: @Woolie has clarified, and I've re-checked. There are two different products, Sominex Herbal and Sominex.
     
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  4. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Trish, there must be another herbal thing that uses the same name. The one I'm talking about looks like this:
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    You can see it has the name of the drug right there on the pack: Promethazine Hydrochloride (aka Phenergan). You buy it over the counter at Boots or Superdrug, or in lots of UK based online stores. You are only allowed to buy 16 at a time, and I think you need to give your name.
     
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  5. Trish

    Trish Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You're right, @Woolie, sorry for the confusion. Apparently the herbal one I found on the Boots site is called 'Sominex Herbal'.

    Looks like a good warning to read the label properly. If you're sending someone to the chemist to buy Sominex, make sure they know not to pick up a pack of Sominex Herbal! Sorry for the confusion. I'll amend my earlier post.
     
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  6. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, it is on public view. Its not in the "members only " section of the forum. So yea, might be an idea to delete anything you're not happy with.

    Sad to see your doggie avatar go. :(
     
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    Maria1 Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Woolie Thank you so much!

    Apologies to all as this was a really interesting and valuable thread but I hadn’t considered it might be viewed or accessible just from a google search.

    Going to delete some posts/ might take me some time as I’m crap at this sort of stuff!!
     
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  8. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Melatonin switched me from a delayed sleep cycle to a completely switched around sleep cycle.

    Resetting the sleep cycle to be at night could indirectly improve sleep quality. Unfortunately, it did the opposite for me.
     
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    the slow release ones do keep you asleep through the night - i use them for jet lag and they work wonders
     
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  10. Sbag

    Sbag Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I get it from a website in the US and also if I ever go over there. I get terrible zombie hangover on normal sleeping pills including antihistamines. The melatonin can sometimes have a slight hangover for me at the higher doses but a couple of coffees gets rid of it, whereas they dont shift the other sleeping pill effects. I need to do another order soon and am also in your area so if you want I can send you the link I use or I can order some for you and send on.
     
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    Thanks for the offer but I've got a friend bringing some back from her holiday in the USA.
     
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  12. Inara

    Inara Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You get Melatonin e.g. from Biovea, too. It should ship to UK. It was my "last option" if anything should fail. But I go better with the "retard pills".

    @mods:
    If I'm not allowed to say that, please delete my post.
     
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    Some patients I know take or took Agomelatin (Valdoxan) which is a relativ to Melatonin, but has some antagonistic properties on the 5HT2C-receptors.
    I myself stick to Melatonin, the non slow release type. But has anyone else experience with both, Agomelatin and Melatonin?
     
  14. Sly Saint

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    Some foods naturally contain melatonin and are therefore great to have at an evening meal or as a light night time snack:

    • Bananas
    • Morello cherries
    • Porridge oats
    • Sweet corn
    • Rice
    • Ginger
    • Barley
    • Tomatoes
    • Radishes
    • Red wine
    Foods that contain tryptophan can also be eaten in the evening as these help induce production of serotonin, which is required to make melatonin:

    • Dairy products (avoid cheese though)
    • Soy
    • Nuts
    • Seafood
    • Turkey and chicken
    • Whole grains
    • Beans and pulses
    • Rice
    • Eggs
    • Sesame seeds
    • Sunflower seeds
    Some micronutrients are also important in the production of melatonin, including:

    • Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate)
    • Zinc
    • Magnesium
    • Folic acid

      Don't think I'd go for the Red Wine (can't drink alcohol anymore), but I do have a few bites on a banana when I can't get to sleep.
     
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