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A thread for those concerned about weight gain

Discussion in 'Lifestyle Management' started by Woolie, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Skycloud

    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Best wishes @MErmaid with losing that weight :)

    @Yessica I really enjoyed the Oreo relapse story. The truth in 5 minutes. :laugh:
     
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    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Viola Your 'alien baby' weight fluctuation sounds very strange indeed! It must be a relief it's gone.
     
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    alicec Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I was a bit scared at first too but I no longer get weak and shaky if I don't eat often (though still need my three meals) so thought I would give it a try.

    To me, having to cope with restriction only 2 days a week was a great inducement, and I am surprised at how easy it is to manage those two days.

    Breakfast is a bit skimpy but not too bad and I make a big soup for my lunch and dinner - plenty of volume (stock plus water), plenty of very low cal vegetables and limited amounts of protein (but still a reasonable amount to give satiety) to keep the calories down, plus plenty of flavourful ingredients like ginger and garlic.

    It is remarkably filling and tasty.

    Crunching a few DGL lozenges between meals is also very helpful.

    So far so good.

    ETA Some virtually no calorie shiritaki noodles are a great addition to the soup.
     
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  4. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hi @alicec yes I'm a big fan of shiritaki noodles as I'm doing low carb and they're great in a stir fry or soup to fill you up.
     
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    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Okay, you're on, MErmaid. You've made a public committment to the new goal. Apparently just doing that raises your chances of success hugely.

    10 pounds in less than two months is setting the bar high though - that's more than 2kgs per month. I've been going for a little more than two months now, and have lost 4kg (still a bit less than your goal). So its potentially doable, but it wouldn't be your fault if you didn't quite get there in the time you've allowed yourself.

    Just thought I'd point that out.
     
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    MErmaid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks for your feedback. Hmmm...maybe my aggressive goals are a variation of the old saying “my eyes are bigger than my stomach” :laugh:

    The first 10 pounds, for me historically, are the easiest to loose. It’s the final 5-10 pounds that present the most challenge. I usually track my progress via trying on an article of clothing. Currently I am using a cute pair of jeans that used to practically fall off. Today, I can barely pull them up, and obviously can’t zip them up. :emoji_jeans::emoji_fearful:
     
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    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Jeans - a harsh but fair guage of weight loss! I hope you can get into those jeans by Christmas, @MErmaid

    @NelliePledge I've now tried shiritake noodles. I'm not entirely sure of them as a food item :laugh: but they certainly are filling and not unpleasant. It's the texture that I find a bit odd. I would recommend them though as I think they're going to be useful. Thanks again for the tip.
     
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    MErmaid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I totally agree, I call it the “heat sensor”, which I feel regulates how much energy we have available to use throughout the day/night. I will look for his research, thanks!! And I feel this concept could be applied to ME research, since I feel for many, our regulation process is not working correctly. We need more energy to hunt, less to eat and digest our food, and even less to sleep (hide from predators). If our regulating process does not work, then the amount of energy we need to complete a task will not correspond to what our body makes. I will need to read more about Yudkin, because this may not exactly be his take.

    But I do agree that people with more active lives (which I will call healthy people), tend to have better regulation. Amazing how he understood this basic concept a long time ago (way before all the hi-tech tools researchers have at their disposal today).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yudkin
     
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    Skycloud Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just weighed myself and I've lost a pound in my first week back on the wagon. That's good :)
     
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    NelliePledge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hi all just popping onto this thread to update I'm now at 15kg lost which is 2st5lbs or 33lbs. 16kg next target =2st7lbs.
    I'm still going to be doing low carb over Christmas. Maybe a bit less low than normal but generally giving sugar bread and potatoes a swerve.
     
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    Daisybell Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wow!
     
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    andypants Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'd like to join!

    At my heaviest I was up 18 kg, at 85 kg. With no energy to do anything about it or shop for new clothes that was pretty miserable. After I started keto (works for me, I know it's not for everyone) I slowly worked balanced out at +/- 80 kg. Since this spring though I have managed to lose almost another 5 kg!

    My goal is to be at 75 kg before Christmas, and I only have 0.2 kg to go so that should be within reach. The journey continues in 2018. My goal is around 67 kg, but I don't have a timeline for it as that doesn't make much sense when I have no idea how my level of functioning will fluctuate.

    I have never been one for moderation in anything, so portion control obviously does not work well for me. On keto my blood sugar is stable and I don't really get hungry that easily, but once I eat something all I want to do is eat. I finally figured out that I can limit my intake by limiting my eating window instead. I'm not hungry in the morning so it's not an issue for me to skip breakfast (and sometimes lunch).

    Because my pulse is higher after eating this makes it easier for me to do stuff early in the day without breaking the energy bank. I like that it gives me a bit more freedom food-wise, as I can use all my carbs in one or two meals. This is of course a highly personalized program. I'd like to mention as well that I never go hungry or force myself to wait if I feel in any way unwell for lack of food. I also eat huge portions when I do eat (YUM!), so in calories it's not much different from portion control.

    Feel free to comment, although anyone who goes "you shouldn't miss meals" will be ignored!
     
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    Woolie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    *** me dead, @NelliePledge! You are a legend!

    sam legend.jpg

    Really. That's an extraordinary achievement for a healthy person, but a totally amazing one for a sick person so limited in their activities.

    I'm glad to know there's people on the same journey as me right now... and facing the same harships... and succeeding!

    (I'm hoping to do a weigh in tomorrow, I feel thinner, so hopefully it will be good news!)
     
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    Welcome to the chubby club, @andypants! I agree, being overweight adds to the misery of this disease. And the disease makes it so hard to do anything about it.

    I can't believe you've already lost close to 10kg. We definitely need you here to remind us it can be done!

    Post back here at the end of the year on how you've done - success or not, its good to share.
    I think that's what @NelliePledge is doing (hope I have that right). Limiting eating to an 8hr period. As you saw above, she's had great success.

    And aye to that about moderation. Damn this illness, it forces you to be moderate about all the fun things.
    Yea. When I first posted at the other place, people suggested to go slowly, don't lose the weight too fast (the slower you lose, the better you keep it off, etc.). I just thought wow - do they live on the same planet as me? Like I'm ever going to be at any risk of losing weight "too fast"!!!!
     
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    Just to mention that I was inspired to do this after reading @Tom Kindlon blog about his weight loss. I just thought blimey he's got severe ME and he's managed to lose all that weight without exercising. I have mild/moderate ME so I felt like I had no excuse to not give low carb a try. I was amazed how it seems to suit me. The 16:8 was an addition after a few months as my metabolism had seemed to be getting used to lower intake and reductions were slowing. The element of fasting seems to keep my metabolism from slowing and the reductions keep gradually adding up.
     
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    They are made from the corm of the konjac plant. It is about 40 % glucomannan which we can't digest, presumably the reason they are so lo cal.

    Glucomannan however is excellent food for our gut bacteria, which is probably the reason for the various health benefits traditionally accorded to the plant.

    There's not much in the food for us but plenty for our important friends.
     
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    I think the main functionality is the same as for many soluble fibres (pectin, beta glucan etc):
    • Slowing the absorption of other things you eat with it and reducing blood sugar spikes
    • Increasing a feeling of fullness (satiety) helping reduce meal/portion size
    • Preventing the absorption of fats by binding action and lowering blood cholesterol
    These are by far the bigger benefits of soluble fibre rather than the so called prebiotic effect which is still quite a new area of study.

    Another newish area of study is combined nutrients for helping satiety, which seems to show that combining protein and both types of fibre seems to have a better effect on fullness than those components alone. However like prebiotics lack of meaningful reported studies can get you into trouble as Marks and Spencer found out with their "fuller longer" range.

    http://www.nudgenutrition.co.uk/news/articles/marksspencerrebrand#.WiEFMOvfWrU

    Part of the problem with food and digestion is that you tend to have more than one thing going on at the same time so it's difficult to unpick the significance of any one thing. The general rule of thumb still applies I guess...eat a balanced diet and focus on both your soluble and insoluble fibre mainly for the benefits above .
     
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    I would be extremely surprised, lol.

    I luckily started keto before my ME got severe, I’m not sure I could have managed now but it’s already been a habit for a couple of years. It helped to stabilize my weight, but like you experienced it slowed down. Guess that might be the set point thing someone discussed above.

    I came across dr Jason Fung on YT and that inspired me to try IMF.

    Note: It’s not necessary to be on low carb or keto to do intermittent fasting, it’s basically just skipping breakfast and not eating late in the evening. If you have blood sugar issues it might not be a good fit of course.

    After loosing weight and feeling more clear headed my favorite thing about this is that it’s one less meal to prepare, that saves me a lot of energy.
     
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    Very interesting, @arewenearlythereyet. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Hi @andypants i heard about intermittent fasting through Michael Mosely's tv programmes for the BBC I think he found IF reduced his BMI a lot of which was hidden (visceral) fat and it also helped improved blood sugar as well because it reduces insulin resistance.
     
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